Pond Boss Forums STOCKING A NEW POND Types of fish to choose HBG pic/question

Shorty I think it looked more like a male RES. Good to hear the Neb. contingent is getting some much needed rain.

ewest - here is the picure I was thinking of.



My thoughts are that male offspring of crosses tend to take on more primary charateristics of the female. Based on just this picure the small number of female offspring may have more dominant charateristics of the male parent.

BTW - consider it just a crazy thought for the moment.

GOOD GRIEF!!!! I want some of those fish! How in the world do you get them to grow so big, Is that a male Hybrid bluegill?

Trials, that is "Bubba" and is a freak of nature. He is possibly an F-10 or more offspring of HBG. The pond was drained nearly down after 20 yrs. They thought they had harvested all the fish. Then they drained it all. Turns out he was left alone with zillions of minnows. Just like me at the barbeque buffet. No room left for dessert.

He HE He Burger you made me chuckle in my bowl of ice cream.

Dang - I thought this was "Bubba"

same fish, Shorty.

Is one of the pictures from before it was mounted and then painted? Both the color and ear tab look very different in each of the pictures.

send Deb a PM and ask her...

Jeff's GSF ?



Shorty's possible (?) GSF.




From this thread:

http://www.pondboss.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=20&t=003841

From Shorty


Ewest, I finally found a picture of a male GSF X female BG hybrid. We had some of these in our pond that occured naturally, ours looked identical to this but with no yellow tinting on the fins. Notice how similar in appearence they are to a pumkinseed.

HBG from Shawn. See the thread below.

http://www.pondboss.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=000425

Pic of GSF from Bill Cody.
Note from Cody: I am not real positive that these small fish are pure green sunfish since they came from a pond that experienced 16 or more generations(yrs) of reproduction from HBG. These fish look very much like GSF to me.




From
http://www.pondboss.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=000437;p=1#000005

HBG From Bruce , ML Smith and Ryan from this thread.

http://www.pondboss.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=000653;p=1

F-2 HBG from bz's pond.

http://www.pondboss.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=000644;p=1

original HBG




F-2 or F-Xs

Last night I was chumming for catfish with chunks of hotdog when I landed this beauty. Never had I caught a brim larger than 3 to 4 inches, as the CC totally dominate. I was so excited I couldn't wait to get him back in the pond. Trouble is, I thought it was a RES and now I see it was a green sunfish. Actually, I believe this to be the offspring of HBG stocked about 6 years ago. Do you agree? I stocked 4 to 6 inch BG and RES in May of this year. Wanting to get these established, was I wrong to have not removed the GSF? It looked to be stuffed with eggs, but at this time of year I'm thinking instead he may have just finished eating a bunch of hotdog pieces. HBG Offspring

It does have a lot of the classic GSF markings, brilliant green streaks, yellow fins, large mouth. It is more "round" shape than my GSF. Interesting. I'm certainly no expert but it looks like a hybrid to me.

What do you think guys ?

Mostly GSF features, but I think it's not (body) shaped like a full blooded Greenie. I'd say an Fx like Schroeder speculated.

Fx, IMHO

body too rounded, mouth is big but not as big as pure GSF, pec fin not as rounded as pure GSF. it also displays the mottling common to all the HBGs shown above (except for maybe shawn's and ryan's fish). you can definitely see GSF traits though, fin color, emerald streaks..

nice fish schroeder, and yeah, please be careful what you say around yer fish w/ strong GSF genes

Never mistake a greenie for a redear. Could be the kiss of death if your RES find out.

It was a nice, fat HBG, though.

You guys are getting pretty good at this !!!

Bluegill, Lepomis macrochirus


Physical Description:
· Deep, very compressed body
· Short, round, dark-margined earflap
· Black spot in rear of second dorsal fin
· Small, terminal mouth
· Large eye
· Tail fin edge almost straight with rounded lobes
· Pectoral fin elongate and pointed
· Vertical, dark-colored bars on side
· Side is blue or blue-green with a purple luster
- There are 13-16 moderately long primary gill rakers on the 1st arch.
- Pectoral fin: Notice the long pointed shape of the fin.


Green Sunfish, Lepomis cyanellus

Physical Description:
· Deep, compressed body
· Black opercular spot with a pale margin
· Very large, terminal mouth
· Large eye
· Tail fin lobes rounded
· Pectoral fin rounded
· Dark body with iridescent blue stripes
· Posterior base of dorsal fin with black spot
- There are 9-12 short and thick primary gill rakers on the 1st arch.
- There are 44-51 lateral line scales, and a solid/dusky dorsal


- Hybrid of green sunfish X bluegill: Notice intermediate appearance of gill rakers
- Notice intermediate appearance of color pattern, mouth, and pectoral fin; opercular flap is bluegill-like.

I know you all are afraid of the Green Sunfish Association, and I too am a bit fearful they may come looking for me. But does anyone dare comment on the negative impact these HBG will have on my attempt to establish a BG/RES population? Now that I know they are reproducing, are they so aggressive as to push the other species out of their nests? Will they cross with the BG or RES, degrading the gene pool? (Sorry GSF Asociation members, I mean impacting the gene pool in a manner inconsistent with my objectives!)

schroeder, i cant speak to the deteriorating genetic offspring of HBG, and how these will affect yer BG and RES.

all i can tell you is that i am trying pure (well probably as close to pure as anybody can get) pure BG, pure RES, and pure GSF in the same pond at the same time the results of which wont be known for at least a year.....will be watching and keeping folks posted.

as of now, all three are "swimmingly" co-habitating. all three have or are successfully spawning.

i have relatively clear water, so cross breeding should be kept to a minimum.

my goal of course is to maintain all three lepomis species, and grow them to large sizes, and not worry too much about Fx offspring....its a science experiement

one thing to keep in mind is that any of the three can cross breed with the others, so no matter what, depending on the kind or clarity of your water and pond structure/weeds, you mix the species you risk getting any type of Fx offspring....some really cool, others not so cool.

HBG have both positive and negative aspects. Initial growth is fast and they are aggressive but they are mostly male (65 to 99 %) and there offspring are fewer (1000 vs 50000 for BG)and tend to degrade (outbreeding depression). HBG's ability to cross with BG or GSF is uncertain (most think -yes but limited). I have seen nothing on HBG X RES. Here is some info.


See pg 9 hybrid bream
http://msucares.com/pubs/publications/p1428.pdf