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Bruce, if you have time, go to a Rec Vehicle place and buy a 12 volt water pump. Use it like a fountain. Make the fountain squirt up or to the side and bounce off something and then back into the water. Or baffle it.


It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.

Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.

Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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That's a good suggestion from net man.


Excerpt from Robert Crais' "The Monkey's Raincoat:"
"She took another microscopic bite of her sandwich, then pushed it away. Maybe she absorbed nutrients from her surroundings."

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Bruce, you gotta get a gas generator before you really need one (for something more important than a tank of YP)(PB audience gasps at Theo's blasphemy ).

Remember that when you really, REALLY need a generator, everyone else is likely to need one as well. And all your good looks won't help you find one when all the dealers within driving distance are sold out.

You should be able to pick up a 5kW steady state/6kW surge generator (small enough to move alone if you have to, large enough to handle any 110V/220V load short of central AC, should only have to be refueled 2-3 times a day) for well under $1K (my knowledge of generator prices is admittedly 4-5 years out of date). You probably kill more than a grand worth of fish in a year, right?


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BTW, report in after the power outage and let us know that the perch are OK and how big they're getting, please.


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Go to Walmart, get a 12 volt deep cycle battery for $40, get a 12 volt bilge pump/aerator. It will run for 24 or more hours on the battery. They have a bilge pump with a pvc pipe and diffuser on it for aeration.


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Bruce :

What about a small O2 tank with a regulator/difusser like the one on CB1s system. I have a small 12v aerator which I use-- good for small jobs like moving fish in a tub.
















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Theo, I had to chastize Bruce also. I started to write it as a response here, but then thought to put it in a PM.

It did start off like..."Dammit Man don't be an idiot..." or something like that though.


Excerpt from Robert Crais' "The Monkey's Raincoat:"
"She took another microscopic bite of her sandwich, then pushed it away. Maybe she absorbed nutrients from her surroundings."

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You're all right on the money. I'm going to get a generator. I just got back from checking the fish and lucky I did! There was an algae bloom, which likely would have made things worse tomorrow. I turned off the feeder, increased the water flow by 300% and drained off all water to start fresh. This way when the power goes out the fish will start with O2 at saturation. Another good thing is that the air temps tomorrow are going to be between 45 and 50 degrees, so I shouldn't have to worry about the tank freezing. Tomorrow morning I'll see if I can get something to hook to my really good marine battery that I've got out there and start a battery backup. If I charge out there during lunch I'll check on the fish. I have one hour for lunch and it takes me 45 minutes round trip to check on fish. Maybe I can move my 1 pm patient to 1:15.

Update tomorrow!


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 Quote:
Originally posted by burgermeister:
Go to Walmart, get a 12 volt deep cycle battery for $40, get a 12 volt bilge pump/aerator. It will run for 24 or more hours on the battery. They have a bilge pump with a pvc pipe and diffuser on it for aeration.
I've got the battery. Will Wal-Mart have the bilge pump? I'm not sure how early TSC opens in the morning. They might have one.


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The bilge pump is a really great idea. Don't know whether Wal Mart sells them, especially at this time of the year. I wouldn't think that TSC would have them but most sporting goods dealers will. TSC or an automotive parts dealer might have some sort of power converter that would let you use an aquarium aerator from Wal Mart.

Have a friend who has a cutting torch set? Use his oxygen bottle. A local welding supply house would probably rent a full tank. They sell oxygen bagged minnows and you can turn the flow down pretty low. Can your Dad be your gofer on this one?

Boy, I wish I was there. I think I have all of this stuff.


It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.

Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.

Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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Theo, I had to chastize Bruce also. I started to write it as a response here, but then thought to put it in a PM.

It did start off like..."Dammit Man don't be an idiot..." or something like that though.
It was pretty considerate of you, Sunil, to PM that rather than put it on the open forum. \:D


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Who knows the characteristics of deep-cycle marine batteries?

If Bruce ran a 12V aerator off the battery, and kept a 110V trickle charger feeding the battery all the time, would that screw up the battery somehow or would it serve as an uninterruptable power supply for aeration while he was in town?


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Can someone recommend a good generator for Bruce to get when he get's a chance?


Excerpt from Robert Crais' "The Monkey's Raincoat:"
"She took another microscopic bite of her sandwich, then pushed it away. Maybe she absorbed nutrients from her surroundings."

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 Quote:
Originally posted by Theo Gallus:
Who knows the characteristics of deep-cycle marine batteries?

If Bruce ran a 12V aerator off the battery, and kept a 110V trickle charger feeding the battery all the time, would that screw up the battery somehow or would it serve as an uninterruptable power supply for aeration while he was in town?
Good question.

Man, you guys are really helpful!


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Walmart will have the Rule bilge pumps that have styrofoam around them so they will float and a piece of PVC pointing up. It has a sort of cap on top that makes the water shoot back down and disperses it. Look in the fishing section. If not, just get the bilge pump, about 400-500 gal/hr. and add your own pipe with 2 90 degrees to point it back down. Put a screen over it like sink faucet aerator.

A trickle charger for battery will not hurt it. Get one that charges at 2 amps more than the pump draws. That is a good idea. I suggest letting it run on battery for a few hrs. weekly to keep the battery in good condition.

While at Walmart, go to plumbing and get a bag of Septic microbes. It comes in a red bag and is 5 bags inside that are to be flushed down the toilet in septic systems. Put part of a bag in the tank. The microbes will help keep the water in good condition.


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Bruce :

Walmart is where I got my system ( $ 50) the small pump (baseball size) sits on bottom a small pipe runs to a clip on yellow sprayer that clips to the side/top of the tub. It sprays down into water. It runs off a 12 v battery. It was in the fishing section of the store. Good luck
















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I just edited my last post. The charger should supply 2 amps more than the pump draws. The pump will probably draw from 1.5 to 3 amps depending what you get. If it is to be running full time, it may be best to get a regulated 12 volt power supply(actually outputs 13-13.5 VDC. A 4 or 5 amp supply would be about right. I think Radio Shack should have one.


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Got a call from my security company saying my power was out at 11am. This turned out to be very good for me because it was just before I had time to visit. By the time I reached the farm the power was already back on and I hadn't lost any fish. It must've been off for less than an hour. I restarted the feeder to run about 50% quantity tomorrow.

You can bet I'm going to get a generator and backup as you guys suggested. I'll start shopping this week.

I took an approximate inventory of YP today when I was checking on fish.

These are rough guesses:

3-4 in. - - 0 fish
4-5 in. - - 140 fish
5-6 in. - - 50 fish
6+ in. - - 6 fish

Still haven't had a single mortality, and body condition looks really good. I'm wondering if a couple of the bigger ones will develop eggs here in a month or two. I kind of doubt it, but if I keep them alive until next spring, I'm sure they will. At the current rate of growth I will need a bigger tank or I'll need to reduce the number of individuals to about 50 fish. That would be fine with me.


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Can someone recommend a good generator for Bruce to get when he get's a chance?
We have a 5000W Devilbiss (6250W surge) with a Briggs & Stratton engine that we have been pretty happy with. In addition to being run about 10 hours a day for the 5 days we were without power in Dec 2004 and for shorter periods several times (including use as portable 110VAC for power tools around the farm), my unofficial brother-in-law has borrowed it a few times to provide remote electrical power for his business (custom awning manufacture & installation). We got it at TSC. The one time we thought it was broke, it wasn't (free lesson on oil level safety switch).

One thing I noticed when we were generator shopping - there was nearly a 3:1 difference in price for different generators from different places with the same capacity. IMHO this is another reason deciding which generator to purchase should be a considered decision, rather than an last minute foray, if possible. Whether you want to go cheap or go name brand, the first place you look at may not have what you want at the best price.


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 Quote:
Originally posted by Bruce Condello:
I took an approximate inventory of YP today when I was checking on fish.

These are rough guesses:

3-4 in. - - 0 fish
4-5 in. - - 140 fish
5-6 in. - - 50 fish
6+ in. - - 6 fish

Still haven't had a single mortality, and body condition looks really good. I'm wondering if a couple of the bigger ones will develop eggs here in a month or two. I kind of doubt it, but if I keep them alive until next spring, I'm sure they will. At the current rate of growth I will need a bigger tank or I'll need to reduce the number of individuals to about 50 fish. That would be fine with me.
Thanks for posting the current YP report, Bruce. One of the things us PBR-ers need to develop is a rule of thumb for the fish biomass capacity of the Condello Po'Boy RAS per gallon. Of course, individual mileage may vary.


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Bill Cody wouldn't have any trouble calculating how much biomass I may have here. Assume an average size of 4.8 inches (there are LOTS of 4.25's), with a Wr of around 100 he might know what my weight for 150 gallons is. I get the sense by the general water quality that I'm nowhere near carrying capacity. Of course, you know me. I might just push it to the brink.


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When you can watch the algae bloom and crash without timelapse photography, it's time to either change the water or lay off the gas! \:D


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Bruce :

What is the plan? Are the larger fish going in one of the ponds and with what purpose? It should be time for them to be pond acclimated soon as water temps start to rise.

Theo , I agree and think Bruce has that info and can provide it from his hatchery book or from memory.
















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My goal is to eventually integrate the 30-40 best feed trained females into the horizontal aeration pond to grow to Cecilesque type proportions.

The rest will be used to form an army of yellow perch druids to fight off the eventual apocolyptic advances of my redears.


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I see cannibals vs crushers. :p When will the best group be decided and go into the pond? I would think soon. More than 40 can go in there --? Will you keep the rest in the RAS to grow more and then add to the other pond ?
















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