Forums36
Topics40,979
Posts558,157
Members18,511
|
Most Online3,612 Jan 10th, 2023
|
|
12 members (DrewSh, FishinRod, bmo, Sunil, Theeck, Shorthose, nvcdl, Snipe, Reno Guerra, Fishingadventure, Brian from Texas, DerekG),
1,165
guests, and
215
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,721
Lunker
|
OP
Lunker
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,721 |
Lake Ray Roberts is only about seven miles from my pond and this time of year is full of catchable threadfin shad in the shallows around the boat docks. I am going to make an attempt at catching the shad with a throw net and transporting them to my pond. I am planning on adding salt to the transport water. Does anyone else have any suggestions on keeping them alive for the ten minute trip. They will probably be in the holding tank for at least thirty minutes before being put in the pond from the time of capture.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,948 Likes: 9
Moderator Lunker
|
Moderator Lunker
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,948 Likes: 9 |
I think there is a product called Shad-keeper. You should be able to find it at Academy or Basspro.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 13,978 Likes: 277
Moderator Lunker
|
Moderator Lunker
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 13,978 Likes: 277 |
Ice to cool the transport water of IF it would be getting hot.
"Live like you'll die tomorrow, but manage your grass like you'll live forever." -S. M. Stirling
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,794
Lunker
|
Lunker
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,794 |
James, make sure you have a round or oval transport tank - they'll beat themselves to death in corners of a square tank.... O2 would be better than bubbler aerator. Talk to some of the Lake Texoma live bait guides - they know all the tricks.
N.E. Texas 2 acre and 1/4 acre ponds Original george #173 (22 June 2002)
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,721
Lunker
|
OP
Lunker
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,721 |
Thanks George I was thinking of going to Texoma because of the higher numbers of shad but Texoma is thirty miles away and Ray Roberts is only seven. I will try to let you know if it was a success or a failure next weekend.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 16,058 Likes: 278
Moderator Lunker
|
Moderator Lunker
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 16,058 Likes: 278 |
At one time Lusk posted a big thread about transporting shad. Get in touch with him.
It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.
Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.
Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 2,587
Lunker
|
Lunker
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 2,587 |
We generally transport shad in a tank with 0.5% salt. The thought is to make the water close to the fish blood, so the shad don't have to use energy on osmoregulation (salt balance in the body). I went looking on the internet and found the following links. They use a bit more salt than I mentioned, but explain their rationale. They also tell how much to use. http://www.ca.uky.edu/wkrec/SALTTRANS.htmhttp://aquanic.org/publicat/usda_rac/efs/srac/392fs.pdfBe sure to use only salt (sodium chloride), and not the iodized version that we often use on the table. Non-iodized table salt or rock salt will work. If they find Bob's link for you, I'm sure it will have more information.
Subscribe to Pond Boss MagazineFrom Bob Lusk: Dr. Dave Willis passed away January 13, 2014. He continues to be a key part of our Pond Boss family...and always will be.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 1,902
Lunker
|
Lunker
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 1,902 |
Thanks for those links Dave. I have added salt to minnow buckets before but never knew exactly what benifit it was or how much to add.
Pond Boss Subscriber & Books Owner
If you can read this ... thank a teacher. Since it's in english ... thank our military! Ric
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,721
Lunker
|
OP
Lunker
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,721 |
That is a huge amount of salt! I would never have thought it would be that much. My tank is 600 gallons and on that reccommendation it would need 36lbs. of salt. Do you use that much salt Dave? I was thinking one box of rock salt but that would not even be close.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 3,973
Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker
|
Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 3,973 |
James Bob rec. 3 lbs/100 gals. so it would be 18 lbs. You can buy the non-iodized slat at feed store they use it for cattle, etc. We use 2 lbs/100 gals. for most species. Also with such a short run it might just be worth trial and error may not need anything at all if you handle them tenderly and you have a low haul weight of say 50 lbs/shad. Good luck.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,505
Ambassador Field Correspondent Hall of Fame Lunker
|
Ambassador Field Correspondent Hall of Fame Lunker
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,505 |
Trial and Error always works for me sometimes!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 2,587
Lunker
|
Lunker
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 2,587 |
Like Greg mentioned, I have always used the 0.5%, which is what his 18 lbs is based on, I believe. The shad just are sensitive critters. Handle as little and as quickly as possible. Try to do at a time when water temps are similar at the source water body, in the hauling tank, and in the receiving water. Then cross your fingers.
Subscribe to Pond Boss MagazineFrom Bob Lusk: Dr. Dave Willis passed away January 13, 2014. He continues to be a key part of our Pond Boss family...and always will be.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 686
Lunker
|
Lunker
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 686 |
Sorry but I have to ask a side question
If you cast net a Tshad out of your pond and put him right on a hook, how long will he last as live bait? I would assume people with ponds that have Tshad use them as live bait... If you wanted a hard day of fishing would you capture 50 or so shad the night before and put salt in a aerator tank and let them set over night (would this even make them last longer on the hook?)
Get out and fish.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,285 Likes: 1
Lunker
|
Lunker
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,285 Likes: 1 |
Speaking from personal experience, hauling 2.5 tons of water can get a little hairy. It's worse than hauling 5 steers in a trailer without dividers.
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." Stephen W. Hawking
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,721
Lunker
|
OP
Lunker
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,721 |
jake I have never been able to get shad to live overnight in a tank. Shad are the most fragile bait I have ever used and everything in the pond wants to eat them. If fish have a choice of food they will always choose shad first over anything else. Ryan I agree about the hauling of water. I have a trailer that I haul the cattle tank in. It is a heavy duty dump trailer made for hualing dirt and gravel. It has heavy duty tires and brakes but I still have a flat, I guess from the weight about half the time. I now carry a speed jack and a spare everytime I go out.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,285 Likes: 1
Lunker
|
Lunker
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,285 Likes: 1 |
Are shad eggs available? Shad are kinda broadcast spawners, don't attend their eggs but are still very successful (speaking about personal experience with Gizzard not threadfin). It seems eggs would be a whole lot easier to transport and you could just seed the pond with them. I don't have any idea how you'd go about getting the eggs, just a thought.
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." Stephen W. Hawking
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 21,505 Likes: 268
Moderator Hall of Fame 2014 Lunker
|
Moderator Hall of Fame 2014 Lunker
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 21,505 Likes: 268 |
Last edited by ewest; 09/14/08 03:55 PM.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,285 Likes: 1
Lunker
|
Lunker
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,285 Likes: 1 |
For some reason the link didn't work but I think this is it http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthread...=true#Post25747Lots of good info. I liked the idea of caging them for protection and letting them spawn. Would probably work best with horizontal aeration nearby to keep the food flowing. When are one of the great minds on here going to develop a dwarf gizzard shad so us Northerns can have shad that don't grow too big too fast?
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." Stephen W. Hawking
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,721
Lunker
|
OP
Lunker
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,721 |
Will someone i.d. these two shad. Is one a gizzard and the other a threadfin? The third is a golden shiner right?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,948 Likes: 9
Moderator Lunker
|
Moderator Lunker
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,948 Likes: 9 |
Can't tell for sure on the first one but it looks like a Threadfin. The second one is a Gizzard. You tell identify a Gizzard easily because they have a nose. This means that the top jaw is farther forward than the bottom Jaw. Third looks like a Golden Shiner.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,721
Lunker
|
OP
Lunker
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,721 |
Chris I netted these out of my pond today. I still haven't been able to stock any shad from the lake. I tried on Friday and never caught a single shad after throwing the net for two hours in four different places that I had seen the shad in the week before.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,721
Lunker
|
OP
Lunker
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,721 |
Chris is that any better?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,948 Likes: 9
Moderator Lunker
|
Moderator Lunker
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,948 Likes: 9 |
Not really. In that picture it looks like a Gizzard(rounded nose) but in the first picture it looks like a Threadfin because the nose is pointed.
I think there is another way to tell the difference. I just need to find my I.D. book to make sure.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 21,505 Likes: 268
Moderator Hall of Fame 2014 Lunker
|
Moderator Hall of Fame 2014 Lunker
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 21,505 Likes: 268 |
|
|
|
Moderated by Bill Cody, Bruce Condello, catmandoo, Chris Steelman, Dave Davidson1, esshup, ewest, FireIsHot, Omaha, Sunil, teehjaeh57
|
|