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My experience and $0.02, Schroeder.
I stocked equal numbers of RES, HBG, and BG in my pond, like, 5 years ago. I have not seen hide or hair of a HBG, or anything exhibiting any GSF traits, for over 3 years.
The HBG were simply overwhelmed by BG numbers into a situation where I suspect they are still present, but will only be caught a teeny, tiny fraction of the time. I think this is one of the reasons CW says not to stock HBG with BG - what advantages HBG actually have over BG (like limited population numbers) are voided by BG in the same pond.
As ewest mentioned, HBG CAN backcross with BG; I feel the possibility of this is pretty small and is ignorable for those of us without a compelling reason for maintaining pureblood BG (like Cecil Baird, who has monetary reasons for doing so).
I am sure HBG could be crossed with RES, at least in a lab/hatchery setting, but feel this is even less likely in a pond.
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Theo, as usual you $0.02 is worth much, much more. Thanks for always taking care of us newbys so quickly.
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Here's a couple of great HBG pics from the NEFGA forum. These fish are not specifically identified as a particular sunfish cross. I'd welcome any comments on their possible lineage. They are obviously big specimens.
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I guess that I can't say for an absolute fact that the second and third pictures are of a hybrid. It's obviously got a lot of GS in it.
Any comments from members of the GS afficionados?
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The first 2 look like standard HBG to me. The third - all I can say is it looks like it is going to explode. --
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Yep - don't point that thing at the camera.
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I couldn't tell at first, but the angler states that the second and third pictures are of the same fish.
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nice fishes....none strike me as pure (or close to pure GSF), definitely hybrids...my first reaction is the last pic is same fish as second pic. you can see GSF traits especially the fin margin colorations on first fish.....traits against GSF... body shape not right, mouths not big enough for size of fish, and they have that pretty mottling pattern somewhat similar to bz's fish and other hybrids posted here.
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I think the 2nd and 3rd photos are of the very rare, illusive, and infamous female hybrid bluegill (HBG). I think she's potential center fold material.
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Bill !!!!! Good eyes !!! I think you are right. Bruce you posted a first and rare female HBG and a ripe one at that.
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I have to completely agree with you guys. I think that's a female HBG. Didn't even cross my mind until Bill brought it up.
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its got a huge eartab for a female......but that kind of belly (full of eggs?) not normally seen in males.....unless they drink regular MD instead of DMD...
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The first "D" helps a little, but it's no guarantee.
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DIED, Some females have big ones.
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If I'm not mistaken, in some hybrids you can get some funky mixture of sexual characteristics. I've heard that some HSB have ovaries, and some rudimentary male organs in the same fish.
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The Urogenital opening is oval and the area full of eggs (fat).
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Dang it! I always forget about the urogenital opening thing.
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I think I've posted these elsewhere... Standard BG probably Female April 2006 HBG May 2006 F2 HBGxBG June 2007 This fish may have survived because it was likely from the first or second spawn after by pond was built/stocked. I caught another about an inch smaller last year. Originally I stocked 25 HBG and 250 BG along with some fatheads almost a year before adding fingerling bass. I have trapped hundreds of 2-3" BG and have not found anymore F2s
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i was fishing tuesday at my small pond 6/10 acre an 26 feet deep and we caught many bluegill i think were hybryds as they looked like smallmouth bass but were blueish green in color and shaped like a bass. some were 10 to 11 inches an one was 12 an 1/2 inches. this pond was stocked with cc an redears....coppernose...and hybrd bluegill 4 an 1/2 years ago it has two sweeney feeders on it an it looks like the coppernose anhyryds an cc are reproduceing as it has not been restocked since other than 10 pounds of fatheads were tossed in. the hybrds(?) also had the edges of their fins in a yellowish orange color. all fish but cc where released as we will go back in 2-3 weeks to catch just blugill. cc that were kept for dinner went from 1 1/2 to 9 3/4 pounds. if these were hydryds how much bigger will they get? they were a blast on a 4pd ultralite rig an small spinners. thanks for the replys
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The two middle pix look more like warmouth than HBG. But I might be wrong.
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Heres another natural Hybrid for the files, this one is from the 20 acre private community lake in Lincoln.
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Take a look at this bluegill/green sunfish hybrid. It almost seems fake it's so big! http://www.bigbluegill.com/photo/photo/show?id=2036984%3APhoto%3A5692
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Could that be a GG ? Color looks the same.
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