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#121408 - 06/09/08 01:44 PM The word "Lake" before or after the name
Lake Vilbig - Al Kohutek Offline
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Sometimes the word "LAKE" is before the name and sometimes it's after the name.

Lake Whitney
Lake Ray Hubbard
Lake Palestine

VS.

Caddo Lake
Eagle Mountain Lake
White Rock Lake

When should the word "LAKE" follow the name or precede the name?

When is a body of water considered a lake and when is it considered a pond?

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#121411 - 06/09/08 02:11 PM Re: The word "Lake" before or after the name [Re: Lake Vilbig - Al Kohutek]
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Usually anything bigger than five acres is considered a lake. I don't know when it goes from being a lake to a large reservoir.

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#121421 - 06/09/08 02:50 PM Re: The word "Lake" before or after the name [Re: james holt]
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mine = lake
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#121427 - 06/09/08 04:59 PM Re: The word "Lake" before or after the name [Re: Brettski]
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I checked this out on the internet a few months ago and it said that a lake has a shoreline that has wave action. Ponds do not.
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#121439 - 06/09/08 08:29 PM Re: The word "Lake" before or after the name [Re: james holt]
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 Originally Posted By: james holt
Usually anything bigger than five acres is considered a lake. I don't know when it goes from being a lake to a large reservoir.


Never, the Great Lakes are not the Great Reservoirs. Reservoirs are usually only bodies of water that exist because of a dam, without the dam there is no body of water.

Right now my body of water qualifies as a "mud hole"
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#121445 - 06/09/08 09:24 PM Re: The word "Lake" before or after the name [Re: rexcramer]
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If it's mine, it's a lake. If it's yours, it's a pond.
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#121457 - 06/10/08 07:29 AM Re: The word "Lake" before or after the name [Re: Lake Vilbig - Al Kohutek]
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 Originally Posted By: Lake Vilbig - Al Kohutek
Sometimes the word "LAKE" is before the name and sometimes it's after the name.

Lake Whitney
Lake Ray Hubbard
Lake Palestine

VS.

Caddo Lake
Eagle Mountain Lake
White Rock Lake

When should the word "LAKE" follow the name or precede the name?

I keep trying and failing to come up with a rule that will define that particular nomencature difference.

Here's my best effort thus far:
LAKE comes first if the lake is named after something/someone (Lake Michigan, Lake Ray Hubbard, Lake Powell)
LAKE comes last if the name describes a characteristic/component of the lake (Goose Lake, Crater Lake, Veronica Lake)

Nahh, that's not any good, either.


Edited by Theo Gallus (06/10/08 10:34 AM)
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#121482 - 06/10/08 10:18 AM Re: The word "Lake" before or after the name [Re: Theo Gallus]
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Lake names all over the map

Labels on Texas reservoirs are political, lyrical and sometimes obscure


10:41 PM CDT on Saturday, June 7, 2008



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Baby Boomers might recall the old Vietnam protest idea what if Congress declared war and nobody came? What if Congress changed the name of a lake and nobody noticed? That seems to have happened near Commerce where the lake that opened as Cooper in 1994 was changed to Jim Chapman Lake in 1998.

Chapman is a retired congressman from nearby Sulphur Springs. Lakes all over Texas are named for national, state and local politicians. Sam Rayburn Reservoir, for instance, was originally tabbed McGee Bend Dam, for a bend in the Angelina River where the dam was located.

Not sure who McGee was, but he was probably a local politician. McGee's importance was trumped by the death of former House Speaker Sam Rayburn. In Central Texas, we've got Lake LBJ, named for a Texas politician who rose even higher than speaker of the house.

Dwight D. Eisenhower was both commander of the Allied forces in World War II and president, yet the Denison native never got a lake named for him only a state park on Lake Texoma.

And speaking of Lake Texoma, its name is obviously a derivative of the states it separates. One wonders about negotiations between Texas and equally proud Oklahoma and why the lake wasn't named Oklatex? Maybe Oklahoma agreed to second billing in exchange for claiming the entire Red River channel as Oklahoma domain. Most boundary rivers are more or less equally divvyed up.

Texas lakes are frequently named for their location. Lake Grapevine, Lake Benbrook or Lake Arlington, for instance. Lewisville Lake sounds simple enough but it may have the most complicated background of all.

In the 1920s, Lake Dallas was built as a water supply lake near the village of Garza. The dam was named Garza Dam. As water needs grew, along with the need for flood control, the lake was expanded in 1955 with the construction of a new Corps of Engineers dam.

The new, bigger lake was first dubbed Garza-Little Elm, the Little Elm for the Elm Fork of the Trinity River. When the community of Garza decided to rename itself as the City of Lake Dallas, the whole thing got so confusing that the lake was eventually designated Lewisville Lake.

There are some great names for Texas lakes. Lake Casa Blanca, near Laredo, probably wasn't named for a Bogart movie or a ceiling fan. The Spanish name translates to white house, and there was probably an adobe hacienda nearby.

Amistad is another Spanish name, aptly so for a lake between the United States and Mexico on the Rio Grande. Amistad translates to friendship, though the modern version of China's great wall that's going up between the two countries would seem to indicate that things aren't quite as friendly as they once were. Besides, anyone who's fished at Amistad, a wide-open canyon lake, would swear the name translates to "Windy" instead of friendship.

My favorite lake name is Possum Kingdom, which is supposedly the name of a particular bend in the Brazos River. Local legend says a fur trader from Mineral Wells referred to the early trappers of northwest Palo Pinto County as "the boys of Possum Kingdom" and the whimsical name stuck.

Cooper Lake was a good enough name for a lake near the town of Cooper. It's home to one of Texas' best developed state parks, Cooper Lake State Park. The lake is still called Cooper Lake on every map that I've seen and all the TXDOT signs point the way to Cooper Lake. What is Texas Parks and Wildlife supposed to do, rename the park Cooper Lake SP at Jim Chapman Lake?

The Corps of Engineers, being a federal agency, seems to be the only ones taking this name change seriously and even the feds are wishy-washy, at least on their official headquarters sign. It says "Cooper Dam and" in big letters, followed by "Jim Chapman Lake" in smaller letters.

A friend who's fed up with politics anyway insists that an existing lake should never be renamed for a politician. If they want to change the name of something, it's the dam name that should change. Thus, the name could be Dam Jim Chapman or Dam LBJ, etc.
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#121491 - 06/10/08 10:43 AM Re: The word "Lake" before or after the name [Re: george1]
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I located a test to determine whether or not you have a lake or a pond. This is on the internet so it must be true.

Lake verus Pond Test


My 3 acre body of water was named "Hidden Lake" by the locals a long time ago. It is at the end of a small valley and hidden from view which I'm guessing is where the name came from. We named our property Hidden Lake Ranch because Hidden Pond Ranch sounded kinda dumb but would have probably been a more accurate description.

This is from a New Hampshire web site:

The term "lake" or "pond" as part of a waterbody name is arbitrary and not based on any specific naming convention. In general, lakes tend to be larger and/or deeper than ponds, but numerous examples exist of "ponds" that are larger and deeper than "lakes." For example, Echo "Lake" in Conway is 14 acres in surface area with a maximum depth of 11 feet, while Island "Pond" in Derry is nearly 500 acres and 80 feet deep. Names for lakes and ponds generally originated from the early settlers living near them, and the use of the terms "lake" and "pond" was completely arbitrary. Many have changed names through the years, often changing from a pond to a lake with no change in size or depth. Often these changes in name were to make the area sound more attractive to perspective home buyers. Examples of ponds that are now called lakes include Mud Pond to Mirror Lake in Canaan, Mosquito Pond to Crystal Lake in Manchester and Dishwater Pond to Mirror Lake in Tuftonboro.

Seems like they don't know either.
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#121495 - 06/10/08 10:59 AM Re: The word "Lake" before or after the name [Re: jeffhasapond]
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 Originally Posted By: jeffhasapond



We named our property Hidden Lake Ranch because Hidden Pond Ranch sounded kinda dumb...

...and Hidden Valley Ranch was already taken.
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I see a lucrative business opportunity here, JHAP. If we can create a salad dressing named Hidden Lake Ranch, and it tasted great with, oh say, something like Elodea....catchin' my drift? The fat-free version will have the Subway Jarrods lined up at the JHAP Elo-deli like teenage girls at Sunil's last rock concert. This will surely open the door to marketing your patented Cowboy chip-dip, not to mention soaring toothbrush sales.
You, my friend, are on the cusp of capitalistic greatness.
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#121496 - 06/10/08 11:03 AM Re: The word "Lake" before or after the name [Re: jeffhasapond]
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I was always told that a lake was a body of water supplyed by another water source such as a creek. A pond is something formed to catch runoff.

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#121499 - 06/10/08 11:14 AM Re: The word "Lake" before or after the name [Re: Brettski]
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 Originally Posted By: Brettski
I see a lucrative business opportunity here, JHAP. If we can create a salad dressing named Hidden Lake Ranch, and it tasted great with, oh say, something like Elodea....catchin' my drift? The fat-free version will have the Subway Jarrods lined up at the JHAP Elo-deli like teenage girls at Sunil's last rock concert. This will surely open the door to marketing your patented Cowboy chip-dip, not to mention soaring toothbrush sales.
You, my friend, are on the cusp of capitalistic greatness.


I've been trying Bski. I've been pushing Elodea as a heath food for a couple of years. I even bribed paid a consulting fee to government officials to change the food pyramid.



No luck so far.
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#121500 - 06/10/08 11:18 AM Re: The word "Lake" before or after the name [Re: calvin tynes]
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 Originally Posted By: calvin tynes
I was always told that a lake was a body of water supplyed by another water source such as a creek. A pond is something formed to catch runoff.


I like that definition. My pond is fed by South Moco Creek. Ha, I have a Lake!!!!
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#121502 - 06/10/08 11:34 AM Re: The word "Lake" before or after the name [Re: jeffhasapond]
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I like that definition. My pond is fed by South Moco Creek. Ha, I have a Lake!!!![/quote]

Well Jeff, if it has a dam, then you have a resevoir. \:\)

Here is my understanding...

Lake - occur naturally
Resevoir - man-made lake
Pond - body of water less than five acres

I may be wrong, it happens from time to time. \:\)
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#121505 - 06/10/08 11:51 AM Re: The word "Lake" before or after the name [Re: ezylman]
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Hidden Reservoir Ranch? Sounds too hoidy toidy.
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#121507 - 06/10/08 11:55 AM Re: The word "Lake" before or after the name [Re: jeffhasapond]
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 Originally Posted By: jeffhasapond
Hidden Reservoir Ranch? Sounds too hoidy toidy.

...also sends the wrong subliminal message when marketing your new Elodea dressing. Picture this: I'm reaching to grab my squeeze-bottle of Hidden Reservoir Ranch dressing for my tossed Elodea cobb salad, and all I can think of is my G-I tract.
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#121520 - 06/10/08 01:07 PM Re: The word "Lake" before or after the name [Re: Brettski]
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In my part of East Texas, the realtors label any body of water that's an acre or more, a lake. Since I will one day sell my place, I named my 4 acre body of water Lake Marabou.

I've also been told that only god an make a lake. I've never figured out when a pond becomes a lake, even if it's natural.

Mostly we just call Lake Marabou the Big Pond and our 3/4 acre pond the Small Pond.

If it's yours, you can call it anything you want. It doesn't matter what anybody else says.

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#121524 - 06/10/08 01:50 PM Re: The word "Lake" before or after the name [Re: eddie_walker]
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 Originally Posted By: eddie_walker
If it's yours, you can call it anything you want. It doesn't matter what anybody else says.

Amen.
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