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Thanks, Sunil! I don't think I'm anywhere near Fatty's "free round" total, but I'm workin' on it.


"Only after sorrow's hand has bowed your head will life become truly real to you; then you will acquire the noble spirituality which intensifies the reality of life. I go to an all-powerful God. Beyond that I have no knowledge--no fear--only faith."
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I don't care what anyone says...if Fattay partakes in the amount of rounds he has in the bank, he will, no doubt, be comatose the whole weekend.


Excerpt from Robert Crais' "The Monkey's Raincoat:"
"She took another microscopic bite of her sandwich, then pushed it away. Maybe she absorbed nutrients from her surroundings."

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Sunil that is one of the ten best truisms ever on PB !!

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"no one else who reads or posts here will have to go through similar circumstances. "

Sunil

"You don't need to explain anything to us, Brother.

When something smells, there is always a big steaming pile somewhere close by. "

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I view our job as also being sure ,that to the extent we can, that none of our forum members step in that big pile. \:o

Sunil that entitles you to a case on me - take a gold star.


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Cheers to that my friend!


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I've mistrusted Holyoke since the Hogzilla scam.

Glad Deb escaped.


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If I recall correctly, I once suggested to Deb in a PM that she should hang with us on the forum simply as herself as opposed to a representative of Holyoke. In credit to her, it was in her nature to defend those who she associated with, and there was no way to be clean defending Holyoke.

She should never look back on that place.


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Boy, this thread was timely for me. I have a 15 year old 1/3 acre pond that is out of balance and I called Ken's Fish Farm just yesterday. I recalled that the last time I researched them (years ago) some of the other fish guys, both locally and in these forums, did not speak well of his fish, suggesting that they were nothing more than regular hybrids just like they sell locally. To be fair, the lady that I spoke with at Ken's was very nice and took several minutes discussing with me ways that I might bring my pond back to life. However, it soon became apparent that it was going to cost a fortune to stock their fish in my pond, just North of Memphis. She suggested 500 of the larger GG fish (at $1.00 each) along with some of their minnows and bass. Because they did not ship the larger fish, the delivery charge alone was going to run nearly $400. She also strongly suggested that I first send them a water sample to determine if the water needed treatment prior to them delivering the fish. I could not help but feel that something would somehow be wrong with my water. It looks like I will be buying locally instead.

Given all of this negative coverage of GG bream. Can anyone out there suggest an proper alternative (shellcrackers, hybrids, coppernose?) for a pond between 1/4 and 1/3 acre? I do have a fresh water supply and aeriation

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Darrell, happy to help. You can do quite a few things in your pond - and you're starting the right way with good water and aeration. Before anyone recommends anything, first question will be "what are your goals?" What do you want for the pond? How will you use it? Do you want to feed? What types of fish do you like to catch? Etc. Is the pond free of all fish now?? What is the history of it over 15 years? Nobody here will push a perfect strategy on you, it all depends on what you want to accomplish.

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Having just one person saved from a scam makes it all worth while.


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Wonder just how many innocent folks got fleeced when we kept our mouths shut about what was going on?



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Good point george. The water test thing really burns me up.


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Yup. Me too.


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D Bright - Welcome to our pond advisory forum. Aaron summed it up well. Please take a little time and provide ideas to his questions about your pond and we can gladly help. Note. Standard hybrid bream (HBG), which can be a good and beneficial fish, do have their place in a small pond fishery. One just should understand the pros and cons of the fish they plan to stock then decide if those characters meet ones goals.

D Bright I sugggest that you put your answers on a separate new topic so the ideas and posts do not get buried in this thread. Maybe use the Forum heading of Stocking a New Pond then Types of Fish to Choose.

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 Originally Posted By: george1
Wonder just how many innocent folks got fleeced when we kept our mouths shut about what was going on?


I have to wonder how many people turned sour to fish suppliers in general thanks to that outfit?


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My Lucky day to find this forum. I too was almost suckered. At least he only got me for two gallons of Microb Lift. Ken is a slick talker. Sent my first water sample in. After two weeks of hearing nothing, I called and was told my water was poison. Am was up to 3.0. They were surprised my fisg were not dieing left and right. I purchased two gallons of microb lift and was told to send another sample in after two weeks. After reading the contents information, I decided to buy 4 more gallons locally. I sent another water sample back after two weeks. After waiting 10 days for a call, I contacted them again. I was told that the amomina was still 2.78. I pulled another sample and had a chemist at a local water plant test my water. Amonia was .54, ph 6.3, no nitrates or fecal matter. I talked with my pond guy yesterday and he agreed that all they want to do is sell me chemicals.
I'll deal with bring up my PH on my own. Has anyone ever used hydrated lime as recommended by Ken.

By the way I am still waiting for a reply to two emails sent to Ken in January.


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Hydrated lime will raise the pH. BE very careful with hydrated lime it can react fast to raise the pH TOO fast and result in fish deaths. I suggest you talk to the chemist at the local water plant before adding hydrated lime to your pond. He should be able to guide you through this process if you decide to go that route.


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Welcome to the forum SCSCUBA1!

That's a pretty significant differential between what the chemist told you and what Ken told you. That raises some interesting questions in my mind.

If I worked for "Sixty Minutes", I'd almost be tempted to send in four or five samples, and simulataneously send in that many samples to the local chemist or university. \:\/

I certainly didn't intend for this thread to be a "bash Ken" thread. I harbor no ill will towards him. I was just upset that his secretary felt there was no way to back up their product. I've never allowed them to test my water, although they offered to do so. I told them that I regularly test my water anyway.


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Hind site is 20/20. I already put about 15 pounds in the pond this morning. I mixed the hydrated lime with water in a stainles steel container and then sprayed it over 1/2 of my 1/3 acre pond. Hopefully I have done no harm.


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Bruce wrote:
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I am biting my tongue here so hard it's BLEEDING!
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What goes around comes around...

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SCSCUBA1: Using 15 lbs of hydrated lime in an 1/3 ac pond with a pH of 6.3 should not cause problems. Did the water chem guy do an alkalinity test for you? If your water has a decent amount of buffering which it probably doesn't then 50 lbs in a 1/3 acre should not kill fish. Before adding more hydrated lime go to a swimming pool place and buy one of their pH test kits. Use it to test for pH increase as you add the lime in increments of 15 to 20 lbs.

I assume that you plan to fertilize your pond. If you don't plan to fertilize your pond a pH of 6.3 will still grow fish if they are regularly fed fish food.

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"What goes around comes around..."

Those are words to live by, although I thought it was "What comes around goes around."

Sometime next week, I may urinate in a jar and send it on over to Holyoke. Of course the risk is minimal seeing as they probably never even open up the samples.

Really though, it would be interesting to send over a sample of distilled water or something like that.



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Sounds like a good idea to me, Sunil



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The scary problem was the alk of only 4. I figure to deal with one problem at a time. If I get the PH up hopefully the ALK wiill also come up


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I try to feed fish food several times a week. Water temp tonight was 70 degrees. My Pond guy wants me to cut back on the feeding. We'll see! I hate for the fish to go hungry. I guess I am just getting too old. Knocking on the 60 door!!!


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 Originally Posted By: Sunil
"What goes around comes around..."

Those are words to live by, although I thought it was "What comes around goes around."

Sometime next week, I may urinate in a jar and send it on over to Holyoke. Of course the risk is minimal seeing as they probably never even open up the samples.

Really though, it would be interesting to send over a sample of distilled water or something like that.


Sunil,

Why not get more creative? Distilled water tinted with Kool-Aid or something. \:D


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