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George -- you may very well be right about the brackish water (one of the two arms is "saltier" than the other, isn't it? I can't remember river names -- I've only worked on the reservoir once).

There actually are two ways that striped bass can successfully spawn and recruit in reservoirs. They have nearly neutral buoyancy eggs, just slightly heavier than water. So, when they spawn in rivers, as you mentioned, the eggs are carried downstream with the current until they hatch.

One of the few other places where striped bass consistently and naturallly reproduce/recruit is in Lake Powell. There, the thought is that they spawn along some of those steep canyon walls. The eggs sink so very slowly that they hatch before they reach bottom. So, perhaps the brackish water in Texoma helps keep the eggs from sinking or at least slows their sinking to a slower rate yet? Bob may know?


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Really weird distorted stripes on that SB.


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A few years back, I read a brief article in a fishing magazine (In-Fisherman, I think?). They were attempting to verify the length of a fish via an old photo. I think it was a pike or a musky.

An ex-military intelligence officer had wrote in; he had a lot of experience analyzing photos.

He suggested that a grown man's hand would exhibit a pretty certain amount of distance between the middle knuckle and the last knuckle on a certain finger. I think it was 1.5"

If I measure my middle finger's knuckle distance (because george's right middle finger seems to be showing clearly), I measure 1.5"

If george's is 1.5", than I think that smallie must be over well 21" long.

I wonder if that smallie isn't 5lbs. or a little more.


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The article was about establishing the validity of a photo of the world record 25 pound walleye. The fish had little other verifiable information, so it was subsequently rejected.


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I'm pretty sure it was a pike or musky in the article I saw, but as we all know, there's a ton of fish floating around in somewhat suspect photos.


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I have been searching diligently for my old HSB threads since the archived links are no longer operative.
Finally found one that I had put a lot of effort into and wanted to “bump” it so maybe others can be found.

Maybe it can be archived separately from Bruce’s HSB pond fish archive that that been lost.

 Originally Posted By: ewest
I move to add this thread as a link under Bruce's HSB fish intro. Best of both worlds. I will do and later remove my post here.


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Bill that is correct. But no one else can add to the thread once it is archived and posting on going discussions in the archives is not its design. I added the link to Bruce's HSB pond fish archive so the thread won't get lost. As editor of the archives it is your call Bill.


http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=11180&fpart=1

http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=79022&fpart=1

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http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthread...c=0&Search=true

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Who on the Forum has the farthest geographically north population of HSB? Is it true that they won’t survive in water below 40 degrees Fahrenheit? I read that somewhere.


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My HSB do great in ponds that are frozen over for months at a time. My biggest that I've grown is 15 pounds.

The only problem with cold water is that they don't grow much when water temps dip below the low 50's, although some forum members observe feedings with water temps in that general range.

I don't know about the current world record status, but I know that for quite some time it was from a reservoir in Colorado, and weighed somewhere in the neighborhood of 25 pounds.


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I have an existing population of maybe 30-35 HSB in the 3 lbs. plus range, and they overwinter with water temps at 39F.

My pond is in Somerset PA. just for N/S reference.

If I were you, Dwight, I'd find a source for some HSB that were 12-15" and stock 30-50 of 'em.

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Larger sized HSB of the 12"-15" size are not common and probably quite rare in most states. Sunil is very, very fortunate to have a supplier for the 12"-15" fish. Locating a source within an 8 hr drive of MN is very likely difficult. The most likely way to find these larger fish for stocking would be to locate an aquaculture grower of HSB for the food market. HSB in the 6"-8" size range are easier to find but still not all that common. Are HSB even allowed in water of MN by the DNR?

When do you guys want this thread archived? Now or after activity has subsided?

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If I were you, Dwight, I'd find a source for some HSB that were 12-15" and stock 30-50 of 'em.

That is the same size Walleye that I have been considering and about 100 of them.

Do you think the HSB and Walleye would like each other?


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This chart from
North American Journal of Aquaculture 61:278–285, 1999

q Copyright by the American Fisheries Society 1999

Cold Tolerance and Fatty Acid Composition of

Striped Bass, White Bass, and Their Hybrids

ANITA M. KELLY*1 AND CHRISTOPHER C. KOHLER

should answer the question. They can survive as long as they are not frozen into the ice = 0 C.




















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Firstly Dwight is it legal to bring HSB into MN? HSB and walleye would work together if you had proper forage fish. If you pellet fed the HSB fewer forage fish would be needed to sustain both predators. Adding walleye will not work real well if there is an existing population of LMB at or near capacity in the water body. With total LMB competition present, not enough food will be available to sustain the walleye and catch results of survivors will be dismal. Success will depend also on size of water body.

I question if you can even locate any 12"-15" HSB besides Sunil's PA source. To get larger sized HSB in Ohio I had to grow my own in a cage for one to two years. I was able to grow HSB to 13"-14.6" long in small 28"-36" dia cages. Stocker fish were from 4"-6" long.


For you in MN, finding 12"-15" walleye (WE) should not be a big problem.

For reference: a 0.5ac pond that receives high protein 40% pellets near me in NW Ohio has a mixed population of fish that includes a few HSB. Several HSB were caught this summer that were all stocked at the same time; lengths and weights ranged from 24"-27.5" and 8.5-12 lbs.

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Getting back to Dwight's original question, Ed Eitel has the most Northwestern population of HSB, in the upper left corner of Nebraska (a little farther North than Bruce). IIRC he said they are illegal in the states North and West of him.


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Speaking of Ed, we have not heard from him for some time.


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