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I've written down the story of building our pond as a "thank you" to the Pond Boss folks who have been willing to share their experiences and wisdom. I've used the Pond Boss forum as a primary research tool during our project, and since I know you guys like pictures I've tried to include several below. I organized our story by construction topic so the pictures aren't necessarily chronological but fit with the topic. Hopefully this outline will be useful to others about to head down this road....


The Building of Treehouse Pond

Our pond journey started in November of 2006 when we closed on our new property. There were no existing buildings so our first project was to see if there was a good pond site. We decided buildings can be built where needed, but ponds are more dependent on the lay of the land. If we were going to have a pond we wanted to site it first. The property is about an hour from our current home so the pond building project would be done "remotely".

In December we talked to the NRCS and got some good information and a confirmation that our soil was good for a pond. The lady from the local office was helpful, but when she brought in the soil specialist from the state office his tone was more bureaucratic. We stopped short of getting their help in design because they wanted to involve more government oversight (like the Army Corps of Engineers) than we thought necessary or advisable. We decided to just look for a good local pond builder.

Choosing a Builder

We spent some time trying to get recommendations on local pond builders. One name, Tad, came up multiple times and we met with him in January. He had built over 50 ponds and seemed to be easy to work with. We talked to another pond builder but had already made up our minds to hire Tad. His reputation was that he was a good pond builder and that he was honest, and we found him to be both. He has other ventures besides pond building, but you can tell he loves moving dirt and building ponds and he takes pride in his work.

Choosing a Site

We looked at a couple of different pond sites but agreed that the best site was in a draw on the lower west side of the property. This draw was overgrown with holly and not much use for farming or anything else, but a spring comes out of the hillside on the east end of the draw (upper end) and there are hills all around. We believe there are multiple good house sites on the surrounding ridge. The west end of the draw narrowed between two hills and gave us a good dam site.


Approximate pond location

The NRCS had estimated that we had a 7 acre watershed for the site. They also had tested the soil in the site to make sure it would hold water. The soil specialist said that the closest source for good clay for the dam core was on top of the surrounding ridge to the north of the site.

Dam Design
Tad gave us two different estimates on dam height. The lower price was for a 2 acre lake with a 15 foot dam and 12 foot water level at dam. The higher price was a 23 foot dam with slightly less than a 20 foot water level that would give us approximately 2.5 acres. Tad thought the lower height was a better value, but left the decision to us. We wanted a 3 to 1 slope on the water side and a 4 to 1 slope on the back side for mowing. The top would be 12 feet wide so we could drive across it. The clay for the core would be hauled from the borrow site on the adjoining hill top.

We had asked Tad to bulldoze a road and shop site area for us on the south ridge above the pond site. When doing this he asked his operator, Harold, to clear some of the pond site at the lower water height so we could get a better perspective. This was done in late February, 2007, and was very helpful in letting us envision what the pond might look like.

There were three major reasons we decided to go with the higher (water and price) dam:
  • The south side of the pond site had a fairly large flat area. From our estimates this would give us a wide portion of the pond at the higher level, but at the lower level would either not be under water or be very shallow water.
  • The upper (east) end of the site was a tangled jungle of roots, scrub trees, and other nasty stuff. This would not be a good shoreline and would be better to dig out and cover with water.
  • We had been told that we would regret not having the pond as big as possible.

So we told Tad we wanted the higher dam. We discussed some topics I'd learned from reading books/articles and from the Pond Boss site, and I was comfortable that Tad would build us a good pond and work with us on whatever we wanted done.

Getting Started
We talked about starting the end of March - Tad said that January and February were usually wet for dirt work. However, 2007 was a drought year. It had rained on us the day we met Tad at the property on January 5th, and it didn't really rain again until the summer. Tad was tied up on other projects and didn't get back to our property until the week of the Fourth of July.

The delay was disappointing, but in hindsight it wouldn't have mattered when he started since it was going to take rain to fill it up. During the time we were waiting on Tad we built our treehouse and worked on our shop. The treehouse took much longer than we thought (because we were working 16+ feet off the ground) so if the pond had gone in quickly we wouldn't have been able to finish it. The treehouse gives our pond a unique feature so we're glad we have it.


Treehouse

On July 7th Tad was ready to work again, but it rained!! He finally got started on July 14th. Tad and his helper cleared and burned for a few hours, then it rained again. During the next week they got most of the trees knocked down and had two large burn piles going for days. We had decided to leave the shore line natural on most of the edge with the trees up to the edge of the water. They cleared and cut the edges so that we won't have much shallow water for weeds.


Dam site after preliminary clearing


From dam site looking toward future pond


Coring the Dam

On July 20th Tad cored the dam. We took the family and spent the day watching.



Starting the core trench

Earlier Tad had built a temporary dam to stop the spring from running through the dam area. Tad dug the core about 12 feet wide with his trackhoe. On the sloping sides the core was about 4 foot deep. At the bottom of the core (in the spring channel) he dug down nearly eight feet before he was satisfied that he was on solid dry footing. He dug through different layers of soil, clay, and gravel and I asked him how he knew when he was down far enough. He took us down into the core trench, broke into a seam of dirt at a higher level, and showed us where the spring water was slowly seeping through. I could see what he was telling us, but I was very glad we had hired an expert instead of trying to do it ourselves.


Helpers


Examining the core


Tad showed us where the water would come through if he didn't dig the core deeper

As Tad finished coring a section his workers were moving clay down from the borrow area and spreading thin layers into the core. I asked about compacting the clay and he explained that he typically just used the dozer for the core and spread the layers thin. Above the core he drove his belly scraper pan on the dam material, and when we saw how much weight the pan put on the clay we were convinced. It took most of the day to cut the core and fill the core with good clay. They then opened the temporary dam and let the spring run back across the core until they were ready to put in the pipe.



Filling the core


Looking up the pond site across the core

A Sobering Delay
We didn't hear from Tad for awhile so I called to check with him. I talked to his wife and found out that Tad had suffered a near fatal accident on another job site. While setting some flags on a hill side his 1 ton truck apparently shifted out of gear and rolled down the steep hill toward Tad. His back was to the truck and he didn't hear it because of heavy equipment noise. He felt it hit his leg and thought it was a sheepsfoot roller that was working nearby. He says all he could think of was that the second roller was coming. The truck hit him a glancing blow, breaking his leg/ankle and knocking him out with a concussion. It rolled on down the hill mowing down smaller trees until it hit a large hickory. It was going so fast it bent the entire frame and totaled the truck.

We are very grateful that God spared Tad. He was laid up for a few weeks but is blessed to still be alive. August was spent waiting on Tad to get back on his feet.

Drainpipe

When Tad got back on his feet (hobbling) they were ready to put in the drainpipe. The drainpipe is approximately 140 feet of 8-inch PVC. It has a gate valve with a pipe handle that we can pull from the surface if we want to drain the pond. We don't plan to pull it unless we need to drain the entire pond - mud and silt would likely keep us from pushing it closed until the pond was empty. If the pond eventually filled with silt/leaves we might not be able to drain via the valve, but in that case we would just try to siphon the water out.

For maintenance (ability to lower the water level) we planned a second drainpipe. This is described later.

Tad and his workers made another temporary dam in the spring channel to allow them to lay the pipe. They laid and glued the pipe sections including the T joint for the 10 inch standpipe. The standpipe is several feet back from the valve so that it is firmly embedded in the front side of the dam.


Gluing the pipe together

They built and installed two seep collars from plywood. We caulked the collar/pipe seams. I asked about whether the wood would rot and Tad explained that packed tightly in the clay without oxygen it will not rot. He said he had tried the PVC collars, but that they were too easy to crack as you covered them and he had stopped using them unless the pond owner insisted. He said that he would use something else if I wanted him to, but that if it was his pond he would do it with the wooden collars. So that's what we went with.

After gluing and setting the pipe they carefully covered and packed the core with clay and started hauling clay for the dam.



Putting in the pipe

Hauling Clay and Moving Dirt

For the most part the building of the dam was a long repetitive series of trips to the borrow area with the pan to load with clay (with the help of the big dozer) and return to dump it, in conjunction with spreading the clay in thin layers with the small dozer. I forget how many loads Tad said he hauled but he estimated 4 to 5 thousand yards of clay.


Pan and dozer spreading clay

As part of the hauling they had to clear the borrow area. This had been a brush-covered flat area at the top of a ridge. They first removed the trees and brush with the big dozer and put it in burn piles. Then they pushed the top soil up in piles for spreading later. They exposed a layer of underlying clay that was apparently pretty good material for a dam. By the time they were through cutting clay from this area we had a field larger than a football field. They estimated that they removed 6 feet from the hill top over the entire area.


Examining the new "field" in the borrow area


Loading the pan in the borrow area


Those pans are big :-)

Clearing the trees and brush from the pond area took a while, and the burn piles were going for days. We wanted to keep the site looking natural so we didn't do any big rearrangement of the dirt in the bottom. Tad and crew cleaned up everything well while leaving the tree house intact and working around the spring channel.


More clearing

Main Spillway
The spillway pipe is 10-inch PVC. The drainpipe is 8 inch through the dam. The valve is a PVC gate valve. I don't have a picture of the valve because Tad installed and closed the valve right before a rain and when we got there next time the valve was under water. There is a PVC pipe with a handle attached to the valve and supported by a post. If we need to drain the pond completely we should be able to pull this handle from a boat.


Picture before pipe was cut off and valve installed

The drain empties into the existing spring channel that drains into our creek.

There will be a trash rack on top of the spillway. This wasn't available when the valve was closed and will now have to be installed from a boat since the water surrounds the pipe.

Secondary Drain
We had Tad install a secondary drain through the dam approximately 4 feet below the projected surface water level. This is 4" PVC. We had three ideas in mind for this drain:

  • We intend to use this for irrigation of some garden area below the dam.
  • We can use this to lower the pond level up to 4 feet for maintenance, weed control, or construction around the pond.
  • Depending on the amount of normal overflow we may later experiment with hydro power generation.

We were there when they installed the pipe. They set it carefully using the transit to check level. They installed one plywood seep collar similar to the ones for the main drainpipe - this pipe will have less pressure than the bottom. Then they covered it carefully with clay and continued building the dam.

Looking through the secondary drain pipe

We used a drain "cage" as a trash rack for the underwater pond end of the pipe. On the outlet side we have a main butterfly valve and then a 4" main drain with a 2" 'Y' off the side. The 2" line will be reduced down to a normal hose bib for irrigation. The main pipe is capped with a screw plug. If we wanted to lower the pond we anticipate that we would close the valve, remove the plug, screw in a coupling, attach a piece of corrugated black drain pipe from the coupling down to the spring channel below, then open the valve.


Butterfly valve for secondary drain


Valve with attached fittings



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Emergency Spillway
Our emergency spillway is a flat 12 foot wide depression on the north end of the dam and is approximately 2 feet below the top of the dam. It fans out to about 25 feet as it crosses the road and then falls off down the other side of the wooded ridge that surrounds the pond. If this is ever needed it should easily handle all the water from our watershed and send it where it won't do any damage. Fortunately our small 7 acre watershed shouldn't be too much of a problem.


Picture looking from the west across the emergency spillway back to the pond


Looking from the east across at the dam you can see the sunshine on the emergency spillway

Edge Cleanup
After the dam was finished Tad and crew cut and defined the pond edges so that we won't have shallow water for weeds. They also dug out the upper end of the pond to remove the nasty root jungle and extend the pond several feet up the spring channel.


Upper end of pond with dug out edges

Our desire is to have a natural looking pond. We had Tad leave the edges natural (trees and all) except for a "green" area that we wanted to plant in grass for a play and picnic area. This area is downhill from the house site. Tad had piled up quite a bit of top soil, and we had him spread that in the green area to make a sloped two-terrace contour. With grass it looks good, and my children are looking forward to when this is the edge of the water.

Fish Structure
As part of the finishing dirt work Harold created some fish structure for us in the upper portion of the pond. This will be the shallower section of the pond (3 to 8 feet) and is next to where we wanted to put a fishing pier (we call it a dock). We wanted the fishing focus to be in this portion of the lake.

We didn't want artificial structure. So we used dirt piles, channels, stumps, logs, and rocks. With the bulldozer they stuck a few tree trunks down into the ground with the root ball up. They left the spring channel as a continuous trench. They carved some other trenches. They also built a couple of underwater islands that will come within 3 or 4 feet of the surface.


Structure area while building dock


Looking down at the fish structure area from the tree house (the black pipe is some poly pipe that we buried in the dirt as a conduit between the dock and the tree house - we ran some low voltage cable in this pipe and hope to be able to put low voltage lights in the treehouse for use at night and for some spectacular reflections)

We had Harold place a few big logs (left from cutting off the top of the treehouse tree) in another section in front of the green lawn area. We intend to put a few shovels of gravel around the structure area as recommended for spawning beds. Since we left the trees down to the shoreline we also expect to have other trees fall into the water over time, and hope we'll be able to selectively leave or rearrange them as desired for additional structure.


Later view toward upper end with treehouse, structure, and dock. Harold also pushed some dirt up around the base of the treehouse tree to help lessen the chance that it will uproot and fall over in years to come.

Building Roads
Our vision was to have road access around the pond, but to hide the roads from view. We marked out the road routes with flagging tape and Harold worked with us to cut the roads into the surrounding hillsides. For now we've planted a little grass on them and hope that over time we can get by with an occasional box blade cleanup without putting down gravel. The leaves from this fall make the roads look like they've been there for awhile.


Through the trees on the other side you can see the sun shining on the road cut into the hillside. This is visible only in the winter.


This is a view of the pond from the road through the trees.

We're very pleased with the road concept. The roads provide a pleasant walk or drive around the pond. From the roads you can easily see the pond through the trees. But from the pond you don't see the roads unless you really look for them or unless someone is walking or driving on them.

Liming
All dirt in our area is acidic and benefits from lime. Tad agreed to do this for us by having a load of lime delivered to our place and then using his farm spreader to spread it over the pond area. Since we got a full load he also spread it over the borrow area, the dam, and the cleared green area to help us get grass established there.


After lime spreading

Planting Grass
As soon as the lime was spread we worked to get some grass growing on the dam and the cleared green area beside the pond. We planted a mixture of annual rye grass (for this winter), tall fescue (cool weather grass), and bermuda (summer grass). The family and I put out Triple 10 fertilizer, grass seed, and a straw mulch. Because of the drought we had to wait for the dam area to sprout, but we were able to run a hose to the green area and put a sprinkler on it. We eventually got a decent grass/straw cover on the dam and the green.


Grass on dam (you can see the secondary drain pipe at right edge of photo)


Grass on green area

Later we planted grass on the borrow area. For this we used the same mix except we used bahaia instead of bermuda. This took a lot of tractor work to clean the respread topsoil but hopefully in a year or two we'll have a nice field/pasture.


Grass on borrow area

Closing the Valve
On October 22, 2007, Tad installed and closed the drain valve. We had asked him to get it done prior to an expected rain. We wanted to be there to take pictures, but were more concerned about capturing the runoff. We went up after the rain and the pond "puddle" had covered the pipe and valve. Hopefully the valve will be under water for a long time.

Fishing Dock
We wanted to build a fishing dock before the pond filled with water. We designed and built a 16'x10' platform with a 4'x10' walkway.

The platform supports are six 6x6 pressure-treated posts (painted with the green underwater preservative) set in concrete.


Setting the posts beside the fish structure area


Girts are 2x10s sandwiched on both sides of the posts and bolted together through the post. The joists are also 2x10s placed 16" on center. We cantilevered the joists out over the girts about 12 inches all around.

The walkway 2x10 joists are attached with joist hangers and lag bolts to the platform. The joists cantilever to the shore across 2x10 girts attached to 4x6 posts set in concrete.


The decking is normal 5/4"x6" decking attached with decking screws. We used 16' lengths for the platform and cut 8' boards in half for the walkway so that we have no seams in the decking.  We used a router to round the ends of the decking to make the edges easier on legs sitting on the edge of the dock.


Our decking crew (Rebekah and Ethan)

We don't intend to put railings on the dock since it is for fishing and sitting. We left the walkway 4x6 posts sticking up so we can put a gate between them. This will let us prevent little children from wandering out on the dock by themselves.

After letting the dock dry for 3 weeks we brushed on some TWP wood preservative with a cedartone tint to make the dock blend in with the natural colors of the landscape. We're pleased with the results. The dock is very solid and sits right next to the best fish structure in the pond.


Dock after staining

Stocking Plans
Our fish goal is to have a low management pond with fun fishing for family and friends. We certainly plan to eat some of what we catch. Plans are for a typical bluegill and bass pond. We currently don't plan to fertilize the pond. Based on my reading and advice from the Pond Boss forum our planned schedule is:

  • 10 lbs of Fathead minnows in late Feb 2008
  • 1000 2-inch bluegill and 200 2-inch redear sunfish in March 2008
  • 100 2-inch largemouth bass in early fall 2008

Our local supplier is trying to convince me to use less minnows and more bluegill, so our plans might change.

Watching the Pond Fill
As of late February 2008 we are watching the pond fill up. We've received good rain so far this winter and are within three feet of full. Our spring source is providing enough water to offset evaporation and to slowly saturate the edges of the pond while it fills. Rains have brought good runoff. Our area really needs good rains this winter/spring to help recover from severe drought. Before the pond fills much more we need to put some preservative treatment at the water line of our treehouse tree and get our spillway trash rack put on.



Pond Building Lessons Learned

I'm glad we:
  • Took the time necessary to pick the best site on our land (because you can't move the pond later)
  • Got a good builder and listened to him
  • Tried not to have expectations about timeframe so that delays didn't keep us from enjoying the process
  • Learned from the experiences of others
  • Tried hard to get it right the first time - building something that should last beyond your lifetime should be done carefully so that others will be glad you did it the way you did it
  • Left our shorelines natural
  • Created a shoreline shape that "hides" some of the pond when seen from the common vantage points - this makes the pond seem bigger and makes you want to go see what is around the corner
  • Tried the crazy experiment with the treehouse (building it with my family was worth it even if it falls down tomorrow)
  • Built our roads back away from the pond edge
  • Built our dock and fish structure so that people can fish conveniently
  • Involved the family where possible so that in years to come it will be "their" pond, grass, dock, treehouse, etc.


I wish we had:
  • Planted grass on the pond bottom when we planted the other grass so that we would have had less silt washing in during fill-up
  • Tied down the big logs we placed in the bottom of the pond (they dried out before filling and they are floating now )

I'm sure we'll add to our "wish we had" list over time but right now we're very thankful for the way our project has gone. God is good!

Conclusion
Building a pond has been a challenging but rewarding project for my family. It took most of a year to get it built because of various delays. Now we look forward to seeing the pond filled, to stocking fish, and to enjoying watching it change through all the seasons. We were blessed with a great site and a skilled builder, and the reality of our project is even better than what we anticipated when we started. We hope that our pond will bring enjoyment and benefit to our family and friends for years to come.


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Wow! Tim that is a beautiful Pond and Pond site. Great job and congrats on a well planned and executed project.

How high will the tree house platform be above the water at full pool?

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That's a seriously good post. Holy, schmolie! Good attention to detail and great pics.

Thank you.


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Thanks, RT. Treehouse platform will be about 5 feet above water level when full.


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Great post. I love the thought process and how well you documented it. Well done!

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Tim,

You should consider contacting Bob with your story. There are many magazine subscribers who don't frequent the Forum and will miss your excellent story.

I really enjoy hearing about unique ideas such as your tree house. Thanks for sharing your story and including photos. Shawn



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Excellent post. Tim, that is a Brettski quality project post (and since you've been reading Pond Boss for a while you know that I mean that as a highest compliment).


If you ever need to adopt a couple of tax exemptions my wife and I would be available. She is relatively low maintence, can cook quite well and is an RN so she can heal your boo-boos. I am more like a 15 year old boy and will likely talk back to you, climb out the window when put on restriction, will play my music too loud (mostly classic rock and roll), may occasionally steal an adult beverage, and could on rare occasion use a curse word. On the other hand what 15 year do you know that can prepare your tax returns and assist you in personal financial planning. I normally wouldn't make such an offer of adoption but the tree house kinda sealed the deal.

I eagerly await your answer.


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Oh and Shawn is right, email this story to Pond Boss.

Did Brettski ever do that I wonder? Seems like the Liberty Preserve would be an excellent Pond Boss feature. Paging Brettski, paging Mr. Brettski. Mr. Brettski can you please pick up the white courtesy phone located in main lobby......


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Great job Tim !! I am sending this to Bob with a comment that we should have a North vs. South pond building article taking the best from Tim's and B'ski pond building threads as examples of the thought process that goes into correctly planning and building ponds. --- Done ---

Tim there are always new pond projects to consider. I did not see any mention of a sand beach/swimming area.

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Well, Mr. Sanders...you've sure gone and dun it now, haven't you?
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I just sat here, reading this thread until my ears hurt from my widening smile. You have done a wonderful thing for not only your family and friends, but the piece of God's green earth that surrounds this masterpiece. I offer my hearty cyber-handshake and a slap on the back for a job well done.
As much as I love your selection of pond-related pics, they easily get trumped by the kid pics...hands down. That's a great lookin' brood! We didn't hear alot about Mrs. Sanders, but we already know the mettle she must possess and the guidance and wisdom she provided to keep the sharp corners rounded off. It shows in the final product.
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Bravo, Sir Tim....BRAVO!

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Tim, that is a beautiful place, family, and a wonderfully inspiring story!

Thank You Sir!

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I'm impressed. I'm really impressed. I couldn't help thinking about how I wish this Forum had been available when I got mine done.

Yeah, I would send this one to Lusk. The dirty face is a classic and reminds me of my "value system".


It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.

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Tim,

Excellent pond, excellent article, excellent pictures. Your article was an inspiration. Best of luck with the stocking and fishing to come.

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Excellent documentation, presentation, and pond.

IMHO you have 95% of the work for a PBMag article completed, right here in this thread.

This is my favorite view - I'm looking forward to a picture from this angle once the pond is full and everything is green this Summer!



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Thanks for the positive comments on our project. I also agree that the family part is the best part. Here is a picture of the whole clan still at home (the oldest daughter, son-in-law, and 4 grandkids aren’t shown).



ewest - You’re right, swimming might call for future projects. We’ll see.....

jeffhasapond - Thanks for your kind offer. I’ll talk it over with my older children and see if they are up to helping reform raise another sibling. After reading several of your posts over the last few months I find it a little unsettling to discover I have a background in common with you - in years past I was a CPA and my wife was an RN.

Brettski - Your story and posts have been the most enjoyable and helpful for me. Honored to get your approval.

You're right - my wife is the heart of our family and a blessing to all of us. She is a wonderful helpmeet that I can always count on, and I’m so thankful for her. Much like your own Donna’ski.

Theo - I’m also looking forward to that future picture. I’ll try to post an updated photo this summer.


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Impressive. Thanks Tim. No question to the amount of effort to build the pond, but also the effort to compile and present it to us.

So, do you have nine kids?


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Tim OUTSTANDING!!! Standing applause is in order.On another subject,while your considering adoption maybe you could use another nurse and a mechanic as well.I play well with others and promise to do all argueing with Jeff in the tree house over possesion of beverages


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Very nice job of dockumenting your project. Looks like an amazing location with a beutiful, brand new, pond!!!

Thank you for taking the time to share it with us.

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Tim,
That really is a great project, thank you for sharing it with us.


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Amazing! Great work.


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