This one was supposed to be a reciprocal of Redear cross above where mother was to be Redear and father a Pumpkinseed. Made lots with most looking like you would expect. This one grew a lot larger and would not nest (deadhead / limp noodle). He got up to about 1.5 lb. This dude was drop dead gorgeous and really favored the Pumpkinseed side. When some his blood through a Coulter Counter and found him to be an allotriploid. One part Redear and two parts Pumpkinseed.
Maybe it's my browser but I don't see any pictures. Can anybody else see the pictures?
The path to the images is correct, but the wrapper is probably wrong. The pics show correctly if downloaded.
Now I cannot see pictures either.
FWIW, I don't see the photos or a link to download them in the post.
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Bummer about the pictures.
Pumpkinseed are beautiful fish. The one and only time I have seen them in person we were visiting friends on Cape Cod and my buddy and I went snorkeling in Hathaway Pond. Pumpkinseed were on the nest in shallow water and we could get up to within almost arms length. One male that had made a nest on one side of a fallen tree log I could actually see the developing eggs in the nest. Very cool. Very colorful fish. The male would warily watch as we carefully approached. Water was clear. Cold though.
Also two foot long LMB that eggs had already hatched and the male was guarding what looked like thousands of tiny gnat size babies. Some yellow perch in the pond out in open water. First time I had seen those fish too but they did not hang around long. Just a glimpse and they were gone.
I re-hosted all the images using an image hosting service. They should work for everyone now.
Originally posted by Jim Wetzel:
Convention used based has female parent first. Fish shown below by same mother and conceived on same day. The half-siblings groups were reared separately under otherwise consistent conditions. All fish pictured are male.
Pumpkinseed x Northern Bluegill 
Pumpkinseed x Central Longear Sunfish (2 kinds of Longear in MO)
Pumpkinseed x Redear (snrub's entertainment)
Pumpkinseed x Green Sunfish 
Pumpkinseed x Redspotted Sunfish 
Thanks Bocomo. Those are some beautiful fish.
This one was supposed to be a reciprocal of Redear cross above where mother was to be Redear and father a Pumpkinseed. Made lots with most looking like you would expect. This one grew a lot larger and would not nest (deadhead / limp noodle). He got up to about 1.5 lb. This dude was drop dead gorgeous and really favored the Pumpkinseed side. When some his blood through a Coulter Counter and found him to be an allotriploid. One part Redear and two parts Pumpkinseed.
How were images re-hosted? A particularly interesting image was left out.
A great deal more effort went into creating and rearing fish for photographs than getting them to pop up in this thread.
I can see images just fine from work computer. No rehosting required.
Jim I cant see the pics. Don't know why. Hope we can get them all up for viewing.
I can see them. They are showing along with the text in the post.
Wow... those are some nice lookin' critters! The colors/pattern on the pumpkinseed/central longear are amazing.
Thanks for sharing these!
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I have similar involving Bluegill and Green Sunfish as dams if I can only mine them off of an old computer. For giggles, a student may be tasked with making another set based on Redear where resultant hybrids must be grown up to breeding size for pictures and pickling.
We have a bunch of Orange-spotted x Greens in tanks that are to be tested for fertility over the winter ny challenging them with pure Greens of appropriate sex.
Originally posted by Jim Wetzel:
This one was supposed to be a reciprocal of Redear cross above where mother was to be Redear and father a Pumpkinseed. Made lots with most looking like you would expect. This one grew a lot larger and would not nest (deadhead / limp noodle). He got up to about 1.5 lb. This dude was drop dead gorgeous and really favored the Pumpkinseed side. When some his blood through a Coulter Counter and found him to be an allotriploid. One part Redear and two parts Pumpkinseed.
How were images re-hosted? A particularly interesting image was left out.
A great deal more effort went into creating and rearing fish for photographs than getting them to pop up in this thread.
Websites are coded to block links from serving images to other websites as it uses their bandwidth for no benefit to them. If you have visited the parent site recently, it will serve the images, but otherwise will refuse to load them when Pond Boss sends the request. If you re-host the images on a dedicated image hosting service, it will always work.
When I click quote, I can see the links in the image wrapper you used. I just downloaded the images from their original location and re-uploaded them to imgur.com, a free image hosting service.
I don't think anyone here doubts the effort that went into obtaining these crosses or the photographs. I certainly don't. I'm just here trying to make sure everyone can see them.
Jim,
A couple of those hybrid fish, to me, are just as pretty as an expensive tropical Discus fish, and would probably be much easier to keep and more forgiving than Discus in an aquarium setting of say, 50-75 gallons.
Great pictures!
We really like the pumpkinseed in our pond. It's a treat to catch one and enjoy the color show. We have a male that has spawned in the same place the past two years. He almost glows red when he's on the nest. No sign of any pumpkingills yet but I keep hoping.
...and now that our PS have become established, our snail population has dropped to almost nonexistent!
I suppose that pumpkinseed would not survive our brutal, long, Arkansas summers unless their pond was spring fed? It would be nice to have a few.
Very desirable fish and very hard to track down a fish farm that sells. Jim do you know sources of pumpkinseed in the midwest? They do well in the cold weather in northern MI so the lakes tend to have them but would love to get them started in my pond.
One source is Keystone Hatcheries in Richmond, IL. That's where we got ours.
Bocomo, thanks for posting the pics.
Temperature Preferences of Four Fish Species in an Electronic Thermoregulatory Shuttlebox
W. W. Reynolds and M. E. Casterlin , The Progressive Fish-Culturist, 39:3, 123-125, DOI: 10.1577/1548-8659(1977)39[123:TPOFFS]2.0.CO;2
By contrast, the pumpkinseed was the least precise thermoregulator, unlike the closely related bluegill (Lepomis macrochirus) which has a very precise preferendum exceeding 30øC (Reynolds and Cas- terlin 1976). Pumpkinseeds showed a low peak at 26øC; other published values range from 24.2 to 32øC for this species (Coutant 1977, Table 1).
Note 24-32C = 75-89 F degrees.
I wonder why we don't have PS in some of our Ozark streams or lakes? Temperatures in most of them never get to 89 deg F.
It is not just about temperature. Competition. You could keep them in Florida if no other Lepomis present. They did well for 5 years until Bluegill and Greens got in. Even coexisted with Redear and Warmouth.
It is about many factors. That is why Arron could grow outstanding SMB in the heat of Arizona. PS hybrids may even have increased temp ranges as a genetic trait.
Not all Pumpkinseed nor Smallmouth Bass are equal. It is very unwise to assume all stocks have similar tolerances to something like temperature. This is especially true with species that occur over larger ranges with respect to latitude. I would not expect to see representatives from either species collected from the norther tier of states to perform well at lower latitudes compared to those from southern parts of their ranges.
This all drifted away from original intent.
Yeah, drifting is in my opinion, one of the best parts of the forum. You go in expecting one result, and the conversation takes an unexpected turn and before you know it you're learning and discussing something new. Trying to direct the course of a thread on PB is like herding cats... you make a suggestion and a course correction here and there, but the final destination is still somewhat of a mystery. And it's good.
