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Posted By: USMC4Life New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 10/07/13 01:18 PM
Hey Everyone,

I'm new to the forum but have been following it for quite some time in anticipation of beginning the construction of my pond. I just received my JD letter from the Army Corps and my builder is moving equipment in NLT the first of November. I just wanted to post some pictures of the before as well as the plot and see what you guys think! FYI, my builder is extremely reputable in my area and is digging the pond free of charge minus the environmental consultant I had to pay.

Thanks in advance for all of the feedback I'm sure to receive.

-Daren

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Posted By: CJBS2003 Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 10/07/13 11:20 PM
Welcome to Pond Boss and enjoy the journey...
Posted By: Bocomo Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 10/09/13 12:46 AM
It looks like your house and outbuildings are both below the dam. Am I looking at it right?

What are your plans for emergency spillway?
Posted By: USMC4Life Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 10/09/13 12:23 PM
No, the house and outbuilding will actually be about 5 feet above. I'm not sure about the spillway. The pond builder I'm using has an engineer that deals with all of the technical aspects of the plan.
Posted By: USMC4Life Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 10/31/13 01:33 PM
The pond builder has officially started working this week. He's been out there since Tuesday and has made good progress for only being out there 2 days. I know it's early, but I'm excited to finally see the process start and I'm anxious to see what comes. I've attached some pictures of the very early stages of development.

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Posted By: Omaha Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 10/31/13 02:22 PM
Excited for you Daren! Congrats!
Posted By: snrub Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 10/31/13 02:39 PM
Nice surroundings.

Our pond was made in an open previous pasture and although it turned our really nice it would have been even nicer to have had some trees around closer.

I'm cleaning out a really old pond for my son now and his pond is going to have some old, large trees around it and irregular shape. It is going to be a really pretty looking pond. A lot more "character" than ours has.

Congrats and hope you enjoy not only the pond but the process of getting there.
Posted By: USMC4Life Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 10/31/13 06:39 PM
Thanks, snrub. I was honestly mixed on the trees at first for two reasons. First, I was worried about the excess foliage dropping in the pond and causing algae. Second, I wanted better access for wind to hit the pond. After seeing the land cleared and knowing my builder is leaving a 10-12ft drive all the way around the pond, I doubt I'm going to have any problems.

I'm really looking forward to the next couple of years!
Posted By: 2Old2Soon Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 03/17/14 02:23 PM
What's the status of your project?
Posted By: poolecw Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 08/19/14 07:15 PM
Hmm...he must be out fishing.
Posted By: USMC4Life Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 08/07/15 03:59 PM
Well, after over a year of waiting, the house and barn are under construction. The original pond builder really messed things up and my new contractor is working hard to fix it. Overall, I've incurred about 10k in extra costs due to the mess ups. I'm not too happy about it, but am super excited to see how this materializes in the next few months. We're eyeing a completion time frame of around December for the house and pond. I'll have a lot more pictures to come as the project takes shape!

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Posted By: canyoncreek Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 08/07/15 05:15 PM
I'm a relative new comer to the forum, but in the few years I have been here, there has been at least 10 or more bad contractors, bad ponds, expensive 'flops' to every 1 good experience. The cost is always shifted to the pond owner. It is disheartening to see all these pond misery stories.

Can't we compile a 'Angie's List' or buyer beware list for bad contractors?

call it the PB BBB (Pond Boss Better Builder Boys) or the Pond Boss 'Hole of Fame'?

Not to trash any excavators out there but only to help save money and give props to those who truly know what they are doing!

If only a small percentage of the money saved by folks digging their pond once and having it turn out correct was donated back to the forum to maintain this database of useful excavators, the site would be brimming with financial resources smile
This is yet another reason why I am so glad I bought a property with a time tested pond already on it. Too many heartache stories compared to the number of first time try success stories.
Posted By: anthropic Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 08/09/15 06:22 AM
Part of the problem is that building a pond is a rather specialized field. It involves WAY more than just owning a backhoe or bulldozer and knowing how to use them!

Soil conditions -- especially PI index & clay composition -- are a vital consideration to proper pond construction. The core trench must be built well, or nothing else matters. Potential leaks must be recognized and dealt with on the site. The emergency spillway must be carefully constructed to handle extreme rain events without causing erosion. And so much more...

There are tons of folks out there who can move dirt, but knowing the ins and outs of pond building is another matter altogether.

I'm only a wizened veteran of exactly one pond, but I've been incredibly blessed to interact with TWO awesome pond constructors: Mike Otto (who needs no introduction here) and Mike Smelley, a dirt guy who operates out of Marshall, TX.

Mike Otto clued me in to the fact that the property's major selling point, a red clay hill, was in fact full of sand and iron. Very low PI, totally unsuitable for pond construction. After looking for six years, this was not news I wanted to hear about a pond property I desperately wanted. cry

Mike O didn't quit there, though. He came back with a local backhoe operator and dug some test holes down near the creek bottom. Lo and behold, glorious gray/white clay!!! grin Thanks to Otto, I went ahead and bought the property. Mike, I really appreciate your time & effort to help a stranger!

Otto's schedule was too full for me to hire him to actually build the pond, though. The realtor recommended someone he knew had a reputation for hard work, competence, and integrity: Mike Smelley. (Don't know why guys named Mike make such good dirtmovers...)

Now, Mike Smelley talks country. I mean REALLY country! But I quickly learned that he knew his business thoroughly. He came out to the raw land, looked at the soils, the topography, asked me some basic questions about what I wanted, and gave me a quote.

The quote, I found out later, was quite reasonable for what I wanted done. But I agreed more on the basis of a feeling that this guy, like Mike Otto, was a man of integrity who would do what he said he'd do. No cut corners here. And, remarkably, Mike S said that I wouldn't have to pay him a dime until after he was finished and I was happy. (I guess he felt I was a man of integrity as well.)

We had to wait six agonizing months because the ground was simply too wet for heavy machinery -- some of his spreaders run over 250,000 pounds when loaded. When it finally got hot & dry, though, Mike S and his sons/friend swung into action FAST. I came out to observe and was impressed by the rapid pace and Mike's knowledge of exactly what he was doing.

The job wasn't simple, as I desired an island at the end of a long peninsula. Mike pointed out that I was losing a lot of pond to the island, so we cut it in half lengthwise. He also explained about why he shifted the curvature of the dam so that the emergency spillway would dump extra water where it wouldn't create a problem. Bob Lusk, my pond adviser, came out and was impressed with Smelley's work. If Bob likes it, I like it!

Well, I could go on, but the long and short of it is that either of these Mikes will do good work with integrity. Smelley has never advertised and so is not as busy as Otto, but he loves pond construction. If I were advising a friend who wanted to build a pond in north or northeast Texas, I'd recommend calling either or both of these two gentlemen.



Posted By: teehjaeh57 Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 08/09/15 04:50 PM
Anth this is a great review - and while not surprising considering with whom you're working, is still very valuable to the forum. Before I engineer another pond, Otto will be on site consulting - it will be a cost I build in for the client that simply isn't negotiable. If a client wants to cut corners and take risks to save money, it's not a project in which I'm interested. Thankfully I have a day job that pays the bills, and can afford to walk away from projects.
Posted By: snrub Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 08/09/15 06:59 PM
Originally Posted By: canyoncreek
I'm a relative new comer to the forum, but in the few years I have been here, there has been at least 10 or more bad contractors, bad ponds, expensive 'flops' to every 1 good experience. The cost is always shifted to the pond owner. It is disheartening to see all these pond misery stories.

Can't we compile a 'Angie's List' or buyer beware list for bad contractors?

call it the PB BBB (Pond Boss Better Builder Boys) or the Pond Boss 'Hole of Fame'?

Not to trash any excavators out there but only to help save money and give props to those who truly know what they are doing!

If only a small percentage of the money saved by folks digging their pond once and having it turn out correct was donated back to the forum to maintain this database of useful excavators, the site would be brimming with financial resources smile


Canyoncreek, I suspect we get to hear about a significantly high portion of the "problem" ponds here on PBF rather than all the successful ones. After all, if a person has a problem with a pond, what are they likely to do? Do a web search to see if they can find information that could help. What do they find? Pond Boss Forum. But how many successful pond builds are out there that never have reason to seek out pond advice (or don't know they need it) so don't ever discover PBF or report on their successful pond?

There have to be hundreds of ponds in the two closest counties around me, yet as far as I know not one owner other than I am on PBF. Closest PBF member to me that I know of has property probably 50 miles away and the next closest is likely half a state away.

My point is, we likely hear of the "problem" pond that is likely one in hundreds of relatively successful builds.
Posted By: anthropic Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 08/09/15 09:53 PM
Smart move, TJ. One thing I learned is that soil appearances can be deceptive -- that red "clay" hill was anything but -- and that without the right soil the pond just won't work.

Mike Smelley told me several sad stories about people who went ahead and built a pond despite being warned they didn't have enough clay. He has refused good paying work because he didn't want to build something he knew would be problematic.
Posted By: anthropic Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 08/09/15 10:03 PM

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Canyoncreek, I suspect we get to hear about a significantly high portion of the "problem" ponds here on PBF rather than all the successful ones. After all, if a person has a problem with a pond, what are they likely to do? Do a web search to see if they can find information that could help. What do they find? Pond Boss Forum. But how many successful pond builds are out there that never have reason to seek out pond advice (or don't know they need it) so don't ever discover PBF or report on their successful pond?

There have to be hundreds of ponds in the two closest counties around me, yet as far as I know not one owner other than I am on PBF. Closest PBF member to me that I know of has property probably 50 miles away and the next closest is likely half a state away.

My point is, we likely hear of the "problem" pond that is likely one in hundreds of relatively successful builds. [/quote]

Good point, snrub. On the other hand, many ponds have reverted back to grass because they couldn't hold water, or the emergency spillway wasn't built properly. We don't necessarily see them, but they used to exist.

Even ponds that do hold water usually have issues such as weeds, loads of small underweight bass, algae, etc. Pond Boss can really help folks even when their pond is well constructed.
Posted By: USMC4Life Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 08/16/15 09:38 PM
I would agree with much of the above... people rarely come to a discussion board to praise a contractor. Rather, they show up looking for a place to vent about a bad one. In this case, the guy has constructed several ponds in my area, and they're all gorgeous. Now, he has several unfinished "pits" as he calls them. He recently lost several contracts which isn't helping matters. Instead of ceasing his projects, he's been going in, taking all of the valuable dirt, and getting out without finishing the job. That is specifically why my project was at a standstill for quite some time. The guy I have working now is quite knowledgeable and said he can fix it up nicely. See the attached photo for a snapshot of where we sit as of Friday. MODERATOR: Can we move this thread to the "New Pond Construction" area since it's a little better of a fit? Thanks!

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Posted By: USMC4Life Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 08/19/15 11:18 PM
Finally got a chance to post an update for this week. We've come a long way on the grading portion of the project. The foundation pad is also getting built up nicely. Today, he started expanding the pond into the back of the property. I'm pretty happy with the progress.

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Good to see some progress!!
Posted By: USMC4Life Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 10/08/15 01:45 PM
Well... the rain in the southeast has finally stopped and has allowed us to make some progress on our house, barn, and finally... POND! The attached pictures will give a little glimpse of where we stand. I think he'll be sloping the pond in the near future and setting a final grade. My final product will include a +/- 1 acre pond at around 8-10 feet deep, a 2500 square foot 1 story house, and a 52X60 detached garage with 16 foot ceilings. Can't wait to see the project come to fruition.

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Posted By: sprkplug Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 10/08/15 04:20 PM
Exciting times...keep us in the loop!
Posted By: USMC4Life Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 10/09/15 12:45 AM
I'll try my best to keep updates coming. I stopped by today and there was significant progress with getting the barn formed up and ready for concrete. After seeing it formed, the 52x60 is seeming about right considering we initially planned for a 52x80.

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Posted By: 3z3k3l Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 10/22/15 07:55 PM
Looks good. The updates are great.
Posted By: USMC4Life Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 10/26/15 11:47 AM
Took a panoramic photo of the entire project. You can really see how well the pond is coming together around the house. They should be sloping the banks this week.

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Hoorah!
How big is it going to be? And how deep? Looking great so far! I'm probably not to far from ya I live 5 minutes from the GA/FL by Folkston GA
Posted By: USMC4Life Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 10/26/15 01:08 PM
Oorah!

You are definitely only a few minutes from me.

I did some of the aerial estimates using the Google tool, and the current size is around 3/4 of an acre. We anticipate that we will have a little over an acre once all of the sloping is done. The original plan was 2 acres, but that was obviously prior to my encounter with a bad contractor. As far as depth, the deepest spots are around 10-12 feet, which should be great for stocking!
Hey Daren,

Here is a link to the thread of my pond being dug, im like you and in the digging stage. Got pics with it since we live close maybe we got some of the same things going on. get it out and leave me some feed back, i`ll be watching your build for sure

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Posted By: USMC4Life Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 10/29/15 02:22 PM
Dinsmore, your pond is awesome looking! It's exciting to see the slopes forming. Mine should be hitting that stage in the next few weeks.

You're lucky to have 30' depths. We aren't hitting the foundation dirt that is highly desirable like you are. Instead, we have found a mixture of clay and really fine sand - neither of which is highly sought after right now. I'll end up around 10-12 feet throughout.
yea they found clay under the hard pan so they left a lil at the bottom as a base and to keep the water qualtiy good, finding lots of springs to! gonna be hard to use a crank bait in 30 ft lol wish i was back home to tell them to leave some steps in the bottom here and there
Posted By: RER Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 10/29/15 05:33 PM
can make some underwater reefs with in range of the surface out in middle. get creative..I have built lots of stuff suited up in my mask and fins...
Posted By: USMC4Life Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 12/04/15 01:46 AM
Finally got some work done. Been very busy on the house so we didn't do too much on the pond. We should be finishing up in the next couple of days. I also attached a picture of my free flowing well smile

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Posted By: USMC4Life Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 12/08/15 12:47 PM
Added a couple of pictures: 1 of the pond facing the house and 1 of the house/shop project. Project is really starting to take shape. They are waiting for the septic guys to get off the property before they finish up the final grading.

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Posted By: Bill D. Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 12/08/15 01:07 PM
Really coming along nice Daren. Going to be a beautiful place when you're done and well worth the effort!
Yep, gonna be nice.
Posted By: snrub Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 12/09/15 02:56 AM
Looks great.

We have enjoyed our pond next to our house more than I ever imagined we would. Hope you enjoy yours as much.
Posted By: USMC4Life Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 01/28/16 03:13 PM
The pond level is nearing full pool now. You can see the artesian well working hard to fill her up! We've planted some winter rye around the banks and should hopefully see some growth soon.

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Posted By: RER Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 01/28/16 05:46 PM
About time to get some Fat Head minnows and shiners planted so they can spawn this spring. if that's the way you are going....
Posted By: USMC4Life Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 02/09/16 04:44 PM
Just ordered 1100 coppernose BG, 200 red ear sunfish, & 1500 FHM. Pond is at full pool and starting to look amazing! Even have some blades of winter rye starting to grow on the banks. I've attached a couple of pictures of our progress as of late.

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Posted By: RER Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 02/09/16 05:25 PM
awe man that looks great , once a little green comes in it will be just awesome looking.
Posted By: Bob-O Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 02/09/16 06:39 PM
That is quite an accomplishment. I like the shape of your pond.
Posted By: Bill D. Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 02/09/16 09:27 PM
Sweet! I see good times in your future!
Posted By: RER Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 02/09/16 09:45 PM
I can just see a couple big door mat flounder laying around that pond.... cool wink
Posted By: USMC4Life Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 02/10/16 01:50 PM
Thanks guys. Honestly, the shape was by accident. The original plan (halted by my poor pond contractor) was to dig out to around 2.5 acres, or half of the property. The current contractor did all he could to make it as large as possible. We actually added a lagoon toward the back of the property. You can see this in both of the pictures I attached to this post (should be an awesome spot for LMB).

The stocking company is all set to be at the property around noon on Monday. Looking forward to getting some fish in there! I'll also be setting up some pallets soon and possibly a load of crushed concrete.

Shout out to Bobby Rice who is in my area. He's been very helpful during the past few weeks and has helped point me in the right direction with all of this!

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Posted By: RER Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 02/10/16 02:45 PM
ponds fill pretty quickly down here due to our low elevation and high water table. But the that free flowing artesian well sure made it fill quicker.

I use mine to keep it topped of when we have our dry spring time weather and to keep it artificially warmer when we have unusually cold weather from time to time to make sure any of the cold sensitive fish are ok.

Does it have an over flow at all?

I am working on a float valve system for mine so I will not have be constantly turning it off and on during heavy rains or dry weeks. Ill let you know how it works out when I get it going.
Posted By: USMC4Life Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 02/10/16 03:02 PM
Yes, my overflow is on the far side of the pond by where the lagoon starts. Overflow looked really low when we first started, now it appears to be just right.

That's a good idea to control your free flowing well with a float valve. Can't wait to see the result.
Posted By: RER Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 02/10/16 03:18 PM
I offered to get him some additional forage items not available from the fish stocking folks.

I have access to lots of Native Grass shrimp and Native sail fin mollies. I think they will only add to the food chain. Diversity in the food chain always seems like a good idea.,
Posted By: Rainman Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 02/10/16 07:28 PM
My Son in law was just transferred on 1/1/16 off a nuclear attack sub based in Groton CT to a boomer sub based in King's Bay GA. Hoping this will be the last assignment for him till retirement. I'm looking forward to lots of visits there soon!

Is King's Bay near you, USMC?
Posted By: Rainman Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 02/10/16 07:31 PM
Originally Posted By: BobbyRice
I can just see a couple big door mat flounder laying around that pond.... cool wink


To quote Sunil...Freak!
Posted By: RER Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 02/10/16 08:36 PM
Originally Posted By: Rainman
Originally Posted By: BobbyRice
I can just see a couple big door mat flounder laying around that pond.... cool wink


To quote Sunil...Freak!


maybe it should be called pond freak forum..... eek
Posted By: USMC4Life Re: New Pond Construction in SE Georgia! - 02/11/16 12:24 PM
Originally Posted By: Rainman
My Son in law was just transferred on 1/1/16 off a nuclear attack sub based in Groton CT to a boomer sub based in King's Bay GA. Hoping this will be the last assignment for him till retirement. I'm looking forward to lots of visits there soon!

Is King's Bay near you, USMC?


Yes it is Rainman. It's the largest employer in our county and is located about 10 minutes from our property. It's a nice area, can't say I'd ever think about leaving!
Hey USMC sent ya a private message wanting to ask some question, get back to me when ya can, pond is looking great!
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