I don't know about y'all, but I barely got to enjoy my time as a fingerling before automatically being promoted to lunker status after a mere 10 posts.

I'm not worthy!!!

In order for me to show a little respect for the more established members of this fine community, I'd like to propose the following changes:

1-9 posts = Fry
10-49 posts = Fingerling
50-199 posts = Dink
200-499 posts = Chunk
500-999 posts = Lunker
1000+ posts = Hawg

Thanks for listening!

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As a young working the oil field, I was designated a permanent worm. Probably people like me should start out as a worm, then go to fry.

Ya Bill, bait before fish!

When I first signed up on the forum I spent days looking over old posts to sort of "get up to speed", and my wife would look over my shoulder and ask why I was a fingerling instead of a lunker. Generally speaking, you don't want your wife to look at you as a fingerling.

It's much better if she thinks of you as a Hawg.

Originally posted by Bill Webb:



Actually, the stage between bait and fry is generally accepted to be the "yolk sac", as I have reason to know.

Yolk, you haven't been around lately have you?

What's new?

Cindy thinks I'm a pig.

Howdy, Sunil-

Workin' and lurkin', man, workin' and lurkin'.

Here's a sample of what's been going on in Tennessee:



We're deploying the "nuclear option" when it comes to Degenerate Nipple Biting Green Sunfish.

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhh!!

UMMMMMMMMM.............

I swear it followed me 3' backwards into deeper water and then jumped 4"'s out of the water to to get at it and keep trying to pull it off. Cross my heart and swear to God.

It got inflamed and I had to omintment on it.

I guess I'm just sweet to GSF.

What is that????!!!!!! I'd wear that coat of armor that Theo recommended and drown before I'd get in the water with that thing. I bet he really looks mean when he grows up.

I'm not sure what it is-the fish guy said it was a specialized regional subspecies of salmonid, and told me it was a "Tennessee Toothed Trout". I wasn't able to google such a beast, however.

Thoughts, anyone?

That's a muskie, baby.

Muskellunge. Awesummmmmmmm.

Yolk Sac, maybe you were right the first time, the TVA is leaking stuff. Or someones still sprang a leak.

How far up in the mountains is this place?

Yup.

I'm working on a home for him and a few buddies. In the meantime, they're being loaned to my neighbor to clean out all the stunted GSF in his 1/2 acre pond.

The fish guy had to get the fish this fall before they all sell out, so we settled on this as a temporizing measure. He says they'll feed most of the winter in Tennessee, and should grow a good bit.

I like it.

I'm gonna start a new business.

"Bruce's Rent-a-Muskie"

Bruce, that's a great idea.

It seems like every couple weeks someone has questions about rotenone or lime for fish elimination....here's a completely chemical-free solution....And even better, it'll result in a net negative carbon balance.

Hmmm.....I drive past Al Gore's new house every day on the way to work....should I stop and run it by Al?

I'm sure Al would agree...

Stocking one muskie equals ten carbon offsets.

We in the south are suppose to have this great growing season. But what do we have? LMB which may grow smaller in the north but are still there, various other sunfishes, and different kinds of catfish.
But in the north you guys have various trout, muskies, walleye, SMB, pike, yellow perch, and most of the sunfish we have.

No fair!! I want muskies, pike, and yellow perch.

Will pike grow in ponds way up there?

Originally posted by Bill Webb:



My fish guy says Muskies will do fairly well, and there are naturally occuring muskies even a little south of Nashville in the Duck River. I don't know about Northerns-he says they'll also do well, and brought down 7 for me, which are [hopefully] feasting on greenies as I write.

Neither will reproduce, and he says they get pretty lethargic in the summertime heat.

Good! Greenies are nipple bitters and deserve to die!

Originally posted by Bill Webb:



Anybody out there on the West Coast??

Here take a look at this thread.

http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthread...=true#Post17519

It has come to the GSA's attention that this thread went from an innocent inquiry as to the "status" classifications under a members name to the slander and yes even a murder plot against the glorious Green Sunfish. Although we are still working on launching our death ray satellite (we didn't realize that it would take over two tons of Mentos and approximately 578,000 cans of Diet Coke in order to achieve the appropriate altitude) we are actively recording names and GPS locations of offenders. We would greatly appreciate it if both Yolk Sac and Bill Webb would post their GPS coordinates for our hit list information data base (currently on 3x5 cards).

Remember everyone, we are watching, we are always watching....

I'm guessing that even the self-deprecating pink tee shirt isn't going to keep me in the club this time.

Probably not, it may however remove you from the death ray hit list provided of course that you wear this shirt during the 2008 Pond Boss Convention and pose for photos that will of course be posted to this site. Short of that I would recommend walking in a random zig zag pattern until further notice.

PS we are still waiting for the GPS coordinates for our records, you cooperation in this matter is greatly appreciated and have a nice day!

JHAP, the board of directors needs to meet soon.....very soon.....

Not to get on the bad side of the GSFA, but Yolk, are those tiger muskie?

It would be great to start a new thread re: musky stocking so we could easily monitor that project. It's interesting, and I don't think any of us have experience there.

Are you holding out on us??????

...whatever happened to Bruce's Luskemunge project?

No Way Jeff, it took two years for the tax assessor to stumble across me. That's what I get for clearing brush and improving my driveway where cars can get in! Women!

I apologize to the GSA. If you go back to old links I even offered to make a donation to the GSA. You will notice also I have under my little motto place, "I wish I had the tenacity of GSF". They certainly do have tenacity!

My only problem with them, is although my nipples have no useful purpose (at least that I can mention here), is I do wish to retain both my nipples. Now really is that too much to ask?

It is Yolk Sac that has imported monster "yankee" fishes to gobble them up, not me.

Now Jeff do you really think it fair for me to have to wear this swimming?



In error I thought Theo had sent this, sorry Theo.

And all this from a fellow CPA, you'd think you know I suffer enough already.

On a more civilized note, what kind of kayak do you and your wife go fishing in?

I am far too muscular to fit into such a contraption.

You've got to have, like, 24-pack abs to be able to bench press half a ton.











I'm sure you have some kind of 24-pack, Sunil.

I'm just too fat and not quite suicidal enough...give me a few months.

Apology considered, however the GSA did notice that you made the following statement in this very same thread...






Everyone must make sacrifices to preserve this marvelous species.




Fair no, amusing yes.



As soon as Yolk Sac cooperates by forwarding his GPS coordinates to the GSA he will be dealt with. So far his lack of cooperation in this matter is, in the opinion of the GSA, unsportsmanlike conduct.



We have a sit on top, two person "Ocean" brand kayak, customized with "scupper stoppers" (sounds more painful than it actually is), rod holders, and inflatable seats. It is very stable and fun to fish from.

Warmouth.

Yes GW, we know you love your Warmouth. Speaking of which how are they doing?

The fish corral was a failure so I don't have any WM in captivity. I stocked my neighbor's pond with FH and after they spawn I'll start adding WM from his other pond.

I'm still curious about how similar WM and GSF are. I've done some searches but there isn't much info about either species, but even less about WM. So far I'm going on the assumption that they occupy similar niches.

Originally posted by JHAP:



Jeff,

I just can't keep up with you when you're off your lithium!!!

GW what kind of info are you looking for? See chart below on their genetic closeness.

Thanks ewest! The main points that concerned me were, fecundity,low water quality tolerance, and feeding habits. When I thought I had GSF in my area I read that they could tolerate very low DO levels. Later when I was looking into WM I read that they aren't as hardy as GSF. That made me wonder how else they might be different.

I don't have any one specific concern, I just didn't have much luck in general when it came to researching WM.

GW I understand but I may have sources to search that are not available to others. So what do you want me to look for wrt warmouth ?

"but I may have sources to search that are not available to others"

Ahh yes. The truth finally comes out.

At the convention, I cornered ewest and demanded to know about the sources.

He just replied "I have no recollection of that, Senator."

I could only reply "but I'm not a Senator."

When I queried him a second time, he again replied "I have no recollection of that, Senator."

That is when I knew that the identity of the sources would remain with the Master!

Originally posted by Sunil:



Yes, they are. I have no experience with pike or muskies, but am working on a 5-6 acre pond in which I hope to have SMB, CNBG, RES, and small numbers of HSB. From everything I read here, the SMB may not be able to adequately control numbers of the larger CNBG, and really want SMB in this pond rather than LMB and/or CC/BC. The muskies are said to be a little better in warm water than the northerns, and the fish guy had access to a few. I figure I can add them in one or two at a time, for a maximum of 8-10, and see what happens. My other 2 1/2 acre pond is a more traditional mix for this region, so I figure I can afford to experiment a bit with this one. If it's a total disaster I'll just send its GPS coordinate to the GSA, then start all over again.

You should know me well enough by now ewest, I want everything.

Yolk, how do you feel about starting a new thread regarding the 5-6 acre pond and the tiger muskie? I'd like to hear about any existing fish in the pond, you know, all the back story.

It does sound correct that if you want to start over, one can just malign the Green Sunfish, and there you go!

Man, what resources does the GSA have?

You know, Yolk, this is a great beginning for a Pond Boss article submittal.

GW I will see what I can find. Stay tuned.

Thanks ewest, I've got Mr. H's small pond ready for fish and he's ok with making it a WM pond.

Bits and pieces.

The Progressive Fish-Culturist
Article: pp. 67–68 | Abstract | PDF (56K)

Fecundity of Bluegill and Warmouth from a South Carolina Blackwater Lake
Frank M. Panek and Clarence R. Cofield



The fecundity estimate for warmouths ranged from 798

to 34,257 eggs per mature fish (96 to 222 mm TL). The

regression equation and coefficient of determination (r 2) of

fecundity on total length was 1og10 F = -4.678 + 3.889 log10

TL (mm) with r 2 = 0.67 (Fig. 2). Eggs of warmouths from

Lake Robinson exhibited a unimodal series of egg sizes

with a group egg diameter mode of 0.80 to 0.94 mm.



Warmouth fecundity was similar to that of fish from

other habitats. Larimore (1957) reported that the total

number of eggs per fish ranged from 4,500 to 63,200, and

Germann et al. (1974) reported that the number of mature

eggs ranged from 8,721 to 20,064. Larimore (1957)described

a unimodel size distribution of eggs and Germann et al. (1974)

a bimodal distribution. Warmouth data from the presen

study agree with those of Larimore (1957). The data suggest

that warmouths in Lake Robinson have a protracted spawning

season: mature and ripe females were collected from

April to September in 1975.


Abstract View
Volume 32, Issue 1 ( 1903)

Transactions of the American Fisheries Society
Article: pp. 116–125 | Abstract | PDF (219K)

Fish on the Farm – What Species to Select
Samuel Lovejoy

No affiliation available

FISH ON THE FARM--WHAT SPECIES TO SELECT.

SA•IUEL LOVEJOY.

Living in the •ed hills of Georgia and never having seen over

a quarter of an acre of water is why I select the above subject.



The third best fish, in my opinion, for small ponds south i,

the warmouth bass, C galosus. It grows to much larger. sizv

than the bream, thick and fleshy, with large mouth, and is to

some extent cannibalistic, but not enough so to make it objec

tionable. It will eat a few of its own young, but not enough to

miss them--just enough to make the balance grow well.

The average weight of the warmouth bass is about one pounds.

though I have seen them weighing as high as five pounds. They

are very easy to raise; will do well in water with a temperature

at li)0 ø. I have seen them taken from stagnant wa•er. Th•

warmouth bass resembles the rock bass, with red spots on eyes

fore and aft, not as with the rock bass wit]• red spots top and

bottom of eye. These three fish are the very best for small ponds

and will satisfy any one at the table or market.



.

Well I'll be danged if that isn't encouraging.

Thanks ewest!

Why to people keep telling me that?

Very interesting Ewest. And if I'm reading this genetic chart correctly it appears as though Warmouth and GSF are very closely related.

It also appears that about 34.5 million years ago cave men only had one sunfish to fish for. Course it was probably 12 feet long, weighed a half a ton and ate prehistoric minnows (which were 4 feet long and weighed 60 to 70 lbs).

Good stuff Ewest.

Actually I would be interested in that also.



Unfortunately, not much in the way of resources. The New York times article did not encourage people to contribute to the GSA. This forced the GSA to hire a publicity management firm so we could portray a kinder, gentler, side of the GSA. That is why after requesting the GPS coordinates from Yolk and Bill (which we need in order to properly aim our death ray. The lack of exact coordinates could result in a unfortunate event such as lighting a mini-mall on fire and frankly we just can't afford that much bad press) you will notice that I wished them both to have a nice day. It's all about managing public opinion. And thanks for asking Sunil (see how that's done?).

Ok, now you're just making up resources Ewest. Samuel Lovejoy? gimme a break, wasn't he an adult film star?



I think I dated this girl when I was single.

GW that is from a old AFS article. It is the real deal. I included it because it covered WM on GA farms.

I found it interesting that the author of that article states that he has seen 5 lb WM. I think the record is around 2 1/2 lbs. With such a large mouth it does seem reasonable that they could get as large as BG though. Anyway, I'll be happy if I can get them up to 2 lbs.

That is especially true if they fight like GSF (which I imagine they would). My GSF fight like crazy when hooked and in my personal and probably very slightly prejudicial opinion, pound for pound a GSF fights much more than a LMB. DIED's GSF must be insane to catch. A two pound Warmouth or GSF would be quite a fish on light tackle.

Jeff if you go back into the old threads I did offer once to contribute to the GSA.

However it takes a awful lot of understanding to contribute to an organization that wants to vaporize you.

Anyway since, as a previous post stated, Theo thinks that I was mistaken and the nipple bitters were BG (which I just stocked adult LMB to thin out) I apologize to the GSA. I have no plans to do any harm to your glorious fishies or say anything else negative about them. However, since after reading about them, and I do think my BG do have some GSF strain in them, with your permission I will continue to have my little slogan, "I wish I had the tenacity of GSF". Acutally that should be considered a compliment to them.

Do as you like, but no GPS for you and I do have a kind of hidden place with lots of trees for cover. Even aerial photos don't pick up my house much. East Texas is for hidding and with my family that is a generational thing. I am poor here compared to what I made in Dallas, but I don't like neighbors or people looking at me, especially people with death rays!

Also Jeff, really if you really want to accumulate 578,000 cans of diet coke you need to stay away from Vegas.

Best Wishes to you and your family,

Bill

Point well taken.



I think that this is the second or third time on Pond Boss that I have read about nipple biting BG. BG seem to have more deviant behavior characteristics than a GSF. Anyhoo, apology accepted and you are off the GSA's target list.



I still think that you and Yolk are not being very sporting about this but since I don't hold any official (or unofficial for that matter) office on this forum I am powerless to compel you to produce this information. I have forwarded a petition to the moderators of this forum that is a request that the forum membership agreement be modified to include language that would require offenders of GSF to post their GPS coordinates. Given that the petition had a large number of signatures (ok only mine, but I'm pretty sure DIED would sign it and probably even GW) I sincerely hope that the Moderators/Forum Creators/Exhaulted Rulers of this forum will concede to my demands.

I eagerly await their response.

Millions for human anatomical defense, no one cent for tribute.

Oh no you don't. Lusk sucked me into this Mod deal when there were problems. For the most part, that has ended. And here you go. Trying to put my butt back to work. I'm enjoying my semi retirement and I ain't agonna do it. I'm enjoying being a tourist without a camera.

Gotta admit, the GSF haters have made THE LIST.

Theo, I did offer tribute (donation to the GSA). Just dont want to part with my nipples.

Jeff thank you for your forgiveness. I promise no more bad words from me about GSF. Cross my heart (under my nipples) and hope to die.

Perhaps you can grandfather the clause in with a stern warning for the future. People do deserve a warning.

Apprectively,

Bill

Northerns like water in and around 20 Celcius, Musky, tolerate warmer water and prefer it around 24 Celcius so your fish guy is correct.