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Posted By: CGF Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/24/14 06:29 PM
Over the past few weeks we have been inundated with cormorants (think this is what they are).
I have not been there to witness but my sister-in-law said they come in the morning (she said about 200 of them not sure) and start dive bombing and eating fish.
As a side effect there are many cranes and herrons along the shore waiting on them to drive fish into the shallow water. She said she saw a blue herron with a bass in its mouth so big it could not fly off with it.

Any ideas on what to do?
Posted By: RockvilleMDAngler Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/24/14 07:07 PM
I would start with a shotgun....
Posted By: djstauder Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/24/14 07:08 PM
Wow! What part of Mississippi are you? My pond is in southern Ms. and I've never seen a cormorant there.
Posted By: CGF Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/24/14 07:15 PM
I am in Hinds county.

Talked to my biologist and he has seen same in another pond in the past week.

We have a healthy population of TFS and he said likely due to cold weather some of them have been killed off and they are coming in to feed on them.
Posted By: MSC Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/24/14 07:43 PM
Originally Posted By: RockvilleMDAngler
I would start with a shotgun....


Nailed it.

That would be the fastest and most cost effective way to stop this today.

I have never had to deal with them, but I think they may be protected by law. Cannot condone anything illegal.
Posted By: CGF Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/24/14 08:16 PM
It is my understanding they are federally protected.
Posted By: Cecil Baird1 Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/25/14 12:36 AM
Originally Posted By: CGF
It is my understanding they are federally protected.



I understand you can get permits. Your other technique is SSS.
Posted By: highflyer Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/25/14 01:27 AM
You are allowed to harass them without permit, with permit (which depends state to state) you can remove them. If it is temporary issue, I would harass first.
Posted By: Bearbait1 Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/25/14 02:54 AM
Shotgun cracker shells may work, they fly about 200' then explode.
Posted By: Zep Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/25/14 03:25 AM
Originally Posted By: Bearbait1
Shotgun cracker shells may work, they fly about 200' then explode.


The Original Shellcracker
Posted By: esshup Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/25/14 05:16 AM
In a clients 7/8 ac pond, I did a fish survey this past summer. There were between 1 to 5 cormorants visiting the pond on a daily basis. Roughly 70% of the fish that were caught and re-released into the pond had signs of getting hit by the cormorants, but escaping. There was a total of almost 1,000 fish inspected.

Just think of the added stress and potential for infection on those fish that escaped.
Posted By: CGF Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/27/14 04:29 PM
I was at home this week end and witnessed the problem.

I did scare them off with a shotgun.

They stayed gone 10 minutes and were back.

I guess I will try for a few consecutive days and see if that will work.

Also noticed a few sea gulls in the mix.
Posted By: RER Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/27/14 04:45 PM
can you see what kind of fish they are actually eating? You said somthing about dead shad?

Are they eating shad or other fish?

Seagulls usually eat dead or half dead fish...
Posted By: Bob-O Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/27/14 07:05 PM
CGF, instead of scarin em off, leave them breathless!!
Posted By: Dwight Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/27/14 10:07 PM
"Scaring off" has been mostly successful here. We live on our pond. Even so, the flying gangsters are always nearby.

How successful you are depends greatly on your being on-site at your pond, especially in the morning. They can show up at any time but morning seems to be their favorite (at +- dawn).

Every spring I go through the same routine of blasting them when ever I see them. Eventually they get sick of it and go to other waters nearby. They still check in on occasion to see if the noise has abated.
Posted By: Cecil Baird1 Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/27/14 10:59 PM
Wouldn't it be nice if grenades were legal?
Posted By: Dwight Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/27/14 11:17 PM
Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
Wouldn't it be nice if grenades were legal?


No, thanks.
Posted By: Cecil Baird1 Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/27/14 11:27 PM
Originally Posted By: Dwight
Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
Wouldn't it be nice if grenades were legal?


No, thanks.


Ah you just need to count right after you pull the pin and not throw too late. grin
Posted By: Shorty Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/27/14 11:39 PM
laugh

Posted By: Cecil Baird1 Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/28/14 02:49 AM
Originally Posted By: Shorty
laugh



Why in the hell did they wait so long?! Any background on that video?
Posted By: kenc Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/28/14 03:04 AM
It was an promotional for a hearing aid company.
Posted By: esshup Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/28/14 03:47 AM
Cecil, I'm think I heard that it was a training exercise. No word if it was supposed to go off that soon or not.
Posted By: Cecil Baird1 Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/29/14 03:54 PM
Originally Posted By: esshup
Cecil, I'm think I heard that it was a training exercise. No word if it was supposed to go off that soon or not.


Those are the kind of guys that look up a gun barrel to see if it's loaded.

We has a guy like those two when I worked with ordinance in ANG. Always screwing up and fortunately we mostly worked with BDU's (bomb dummy units). We always said though if we went to war we'd have to take him out behind a building and shoot him as he'd get us all killed with real bombs. We missed Desert Storm by 20 minutes. He lived. grin

I think he was a child of the 60's with fried brain cells. Everyone called him "Doc." No clue why.
Posted By: Dwight Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/29/14 05:34 PM
"a child of the 60s"?
Posted By: highflyer Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/29/14 07:32 PM
ROFLMAO!!!
Posted By: Cecil Baird1 Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 01/29/14 09:00 PM
Originally Posted By: Dwight
"a child of the 60s"?


Yup! grin You know those guys with the red head bands that are dead ringers for Chong of Cheech & Chong.

Posted By: ItalyBASS Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 03/28/16 04:35 PM
Hi.
I have had the same problem here.
After trying several methods (it s illegal to kill them here) I ve had best results with scare-eye ballons.
I ve bought 6 of them in 3 colors for my 1 acre pond and fixed them on poles around the shore.
No more cormorants in my pond exterminating my LMB.
Just remember to turnover colors every pair of weeks.

Filippo
Posted By: Dave Davidson1 Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 03/29/16 02:28 AM
Fil, would never have thought of that.
Posted By: TGW1 Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 03/29/16 10:52 AM
Add a scarecrow and move it once per week, this helped back when my Tilapia were dying. Not a perfect solution but it did help to keep them away, especially after harassing them everyday. I hate um

Tracy
Posted By: ItalyBASS Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 03/29/16 11:21 AM
With scare-eye balloons you don t need to harass them.
Just put them on a pole (or a branch) around your shore and you're done.
Just remember to turnover colors every two weeks.
Here it's the only working thing against those pests.
Hope it will work there too.
Posted By: Bill D. Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 03/29/16 12:05 PM
Filippo,

Welcome to PBF!

Can you post a picture of one of the balloons?

Thanks,

Bill D.
Posted By: ItalyBASS Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 03/29/16 01:22 PM
Thank you Bill for your welcome!
Sure I can, here we go


Be sure to buy the ones with the chrome wheels stickers
Posted By: Bill D. Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 03/30/16 12:04 PM
Thanks Filippo!
Posted By: CMM Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 03/30/16 09:59 PM
Wonder if this would discourage the gbh too?

Cmm
Posted By: ItalyBASS Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 03/31/16 07:23 AM
You re welcome Bill! I m happy to help when I can.

CMM unfortunately no way the ballons will help with herons. At least they don t care about them in my pond, but for sure herons are more and more less harmful then cormorants. In my pond herons eat some little fishes near the shore, cormorants swim everywhere catching every kind/size of fish, eating only those they can swallow and leaving biggers dead. I hate cormorants so much....
Posted By: CMM Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 03/31/16 12:12 PM
Thanks for the advice Filippo.
CMM
Posted By: ItalyBASS Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 03/31/16 12:41 PM
Originally Posted By: CMM
Thanks for the advice Filippo.
CMM

You re welcome CMM!
Posted By: highflyer Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 03/31/16 02:15 PM
IBass,

Cool, good to have another plan for them.


Thanks!
Posted By: ItalyBASS Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 03/31/16 03:30 PM
Originally Posted By: highflyer
IBass,

Cool, good to have another plan for them.


Thanks!


You re welcome. I m glad to be somehow of help to you experts.
We all know what would be the right way to get rid of cormorants... wink grin
But as long as it will be illegal balloons are the best alternative.
Posted By: esshup Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 04/01/16 11:52 AM
Here, some pond owners can get a permit to permanently discourage them.
Posted By: ItalyBASS Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 04/01/16 12:58 PM
Originally Posted By: esshup
Here, some pond owners can get a permit to permanently discourage them.


Good to hear!
Posted By: Pat Williamson Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 04/01/16 01:34 PM
Wish I could get close enough to permanently discourage them... Them critters can sure see good!
Posted By: aeb Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 08/02/16 03:22 PM
Originally Posted By: esshup
Here, some pond owners can get a permit to permanently discourage them.


I get an annual permit from TPW and then authorize my hunters/fishemnen as agents. Paperwork is a PIA . They carry a copy of the permit when at the pond and it has done a good job of moving them out.
Posted By: FireIsHot Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 08/02/16 03:49 PM
aeb, the state permit is no longer available. Everything got turned over to the feds.

IIRC, this is the new permit info.
https://www.fws.gov/forms/3-200-13.pdf
Posted By: Zep Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 08/02/16 06:30 PM
Originally Posted By: FireIsHot
the state permit is no longer available. Everything got turned over to the feds.




Posted By: TGW1 Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 08/02/16 09:50 PM
Same thing with counting votes in our upcoming election, no longer counted by states. So I was thinking pond but this popped up, senior moment!!

Tracy
Posted By: aeb Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 08/02/16 10:51 PM
Originally Posted By: FireIsHot
aeb, the state permit is no longer available. Everything got turned over to the feds.

IIRC, this is the new permit info.
https://www.fws.gov/forms/3-200-13.pdf


Not good! Looked back at some earlier posts and apparently, TPW sent all permit holders a letter. Either I missed it or it fell in a hole. Took a look at the Federal permit and it is a non-starter for me.
Posted By: Tbar Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 02/07/18 02:20 PM
Originally Posted By: Zep
Originally Posted By: FireIsHot
the state permit is no longer available. Everything got turned over to the feds.






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Posted By: DonoBBD Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 02/07/18 11:19 PM
Originally Posted By: Pat Williamson
Wish I could get close enough to permanently discourage them... Them critters can sure see good!


Reverse fish them. Tie the hook and bait deep enough that when they get hooked they drown. It how my grandfather feed his family during the war with ducks. He said its not cool when you get a swan that way but you need to eat.
Posted By: Pat Williamson Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 02/07/18 11:45 PM
Can't you destroy critters that are destroying your property?
Posted By: Dave Davidson1 Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 02/08/18 12:38 PM
Legally no Pat. I don’t recommend that anybody break the law. However , if I was raising chickens and a hawk was getting them........
Posted By: Pat Williamson Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 02/08/18 01:49 PM
Funny every time cormorants show up I feel the need to "sight in " my 22.......
Posted By: TGW1 Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 02/08/18 04:58 PM
For me, when I set up a target at the far side of the pond and shooting from the hill is about 300 yds. My 22 mag will need to be adjusted as wind dictates. And sometimes will fall shot of the target and the bullet will hit the water. smile There is a shooter here that has a really nice rifle to shoot hogs and such, might work well here.
Posted By: DonoBBD Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 02/08/18 05:55 PM
Originally Posted By: Pat Williamson
Can't you destroy critters that are destroying your property?


Here in Canada here or at least in Ontario you can if it is damaging your farming practice and costing you money. Big game like deer you need to get permission to harvest them if crop damage is too high.

If you feel threatened by a racoon, fox, coyote, or ground hog you are allowed to take it. You are allowed to have a varmint gun at hand and not locked up as long as it is un loaded. Ammo/clip stored or hidden. All other guns must be locked weather with a trigger lock or in a safe. Ammo must be locked up as well.

Cheers Don.
Posted By: Dwight Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 02/08/18 11:17 PM
When I got my permit they quit showing up. They are not that smart so I attributed it good pond management.
Posted By: Bill D. Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 02/09/18 12:54 AM
Originally Posted By: Pat Williamson
Funny every time cormorants show up I feel the need to "sight in " my 22.......


I "pellet train" them..... grin
Posted By: Pat Williamson Re: Cormorants Eating Fish - 02/09/18 01:45 AM
Bill that's a great idea! Wonder y I didn't think of that
Those critters can eat a lot real quick
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