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Posted By: Merdav Very green water little visibility - 07/28/08 04:18 PM
Just found this forum last nite I never knew it exsisted. I read through alot of post and I'm happy I found you guys.
I have a small pond about 65X150ft ranging from 2ft to 8 ft so I figure 1/3 acre 3-400,000 gallons?
We have some carp, bullfrogs(although the bullfrong number seems to have dwindled down this year) and turtles(which have just had hatchlings recently) in it, I have only owed it about 2 years, but I understand it's over 100 years old.
Since we have been here I have been using the biosperes for 1/2 acre ponds and some other stuff made by them to break up the debris on the bottom, I think I'm just spending money that isnt helping.
The clarity has never been more than a few inches or in early spring maybe 8-12 for only a week or so. From what I have been reading here I should expect alot more. I just took a sample of water in a jar which seems to be very greenish. I was going to try the gypsum as I have read about here but I was hoping for some opinions first.
Also I have been told it is fed from a underground stream but I cannot see any water movement other than my little water falls which is for esetics only.
Any advice would be appriecited.-MICHAEL from Long Island NY
Posted By: jeffhasapond Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/28/08 04:24 PM
Hi Merdav welcome to Pond Boss.

Hang on and I'm sure that you will get some information related to the clairity of your water.

What are your goals for the pond?

What kind of fish do you want in the pond?

What is the basic shape of your pond?

Stay tuned and an expert will chime in with suggestions.

We're glad you found us and thank you for posting.
Posted By: Merdav Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/28/08 04:37 PM
Is there a way to post picture here?, a picture is worth a 1000 words \:\)
Posted By: jeffhasapond Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/28/08 04:53 PM
You bet there is, here's a link to the archives.

From the archives, posting pictures

You will have to join a photo hosting site but many are free.

I use photobucket, easy to use and free, free, free.

And we really, really like photos.
Posted By: Merdav Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/28/08 07:23 PM
I will get back to the photos another time, still hoping for some advice, the jar with the water is now sitting a few hours and still just greenish water.
Posted By: Rainman Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/28/08 08:35 PM
Merdav, welcome to the forum! The best solution for breaking down the "muck" is a bottom diffused aerator, BUT, this is not the time of year to start one in a pond of your age, UNLESS you WANT to kill a bunch of carp and bullheads, and are prepared to restart with new fish.

The green sounds very good to me, brown would most likely be sediment suspension. If your goals and desires are to have the carp and turtles, it sounds perfect for that. If your desires are for bass CC and BG, some changes are probably in store for the pond.

The experts will want to know the pond size, all fish species (include length and body condition), depth, watershed size and if a stream feeds it. Pictures of the green would be a huge plus.

There is tons of info here to read with lots of pictures and ideas so welcome to the forum and soak up the knowledge and humor!
Posted By: Merdav Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/28/08 10:46 PM
OK I got the photobucket account, here are some photos from today, you will see some of the local inhabitants. I'm aleady aware of the algae bloom on the far side. The picture of the water in the jar isnt clear but the water is very green and pond like. I dont intend on changing any of the fish and to my knowledege there are only carp, I have see babies and ones as large as 12-14 inchs with whiskers. I also dont know what a bullnose is, but we do have bullfrogs but not nearly as many as last year.

http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l357/Merdav/DSC03016.jpg

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Posted By: jeffhasapond Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/28/08 11:31 PM
Great, now that you have photobucket, you can add the photos to your post so that they show up like this:




















Posted By: Merdav Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/28/08 11:35 PM
Thank you, I was wondering how to do that.
Posted By: jeffhasapond Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/28/08 11:42 PM
No problemo (that, mas tequila por favor, and donde esta el banyo are the only spanish phrases that I know and that you'll probably ever need).

Oh and as an also and besides, is that a fly tying device in the last photo behind the energy saving light bulb?
Posted By: Merdav Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/29/08 12:13 AM
Soldering iron holder....
Posted By: Rainman Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/29/08 01:27 AM
Carp will dig at the bottom while eating and keep sediments suspended, but I think that water looks darn good. Maybe too fertile, and a few cloudy days could give some oxygen concerns, but still looks good to me.


Pretty place!
Posted By: burgermeister Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/29/08 01:55 AM
Very nice looking pond and surroundings. It appears that you have a heavy algae bloom. Probably from lawn fertilizer. Get a white coffee cup and see how far down you can see it. Sounds like time to drain it down if you can, then apply rotenone to kill the wild fish. Clean it up and be ready to stock Bluegill and fathead minnows this fall.
Posted By: catmandoo Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/29/08 02:00 AM
Merdav,

Your water doesn't look a whole lot different than mine does through most of the summer -- right down to the green "dust" that floats on the pond each evening. Mine is a little muddy and quite high right now, as we got 5-inches of rain during two storms last week.

However, my fish seem to thrive. They are always hungry, they grow well, and I have little trouble getting enough for dinner whenever we try catching a few. Before last week's storms, I had about 10-12 inches of visibility in my pond. Tonight it was closer to 20 inches, and my water temp at 4-foot down was 75 degrees. By the weekend, I expect I'll be back to 12 inches of visibility, and water in the low 80s.

I've had one fish kill in the last four years. The water/weather was quite warm (water probably in the 80s), we had a major rain storm, and many of my really big catfish (30-40 inches) started to float up a few days later (no loss -- I was trying to get them out anyway).

Your pond and landscaping look beautiful. Like the others said, I don't think I change things unless your fish become lethargic and start sucking the top of the pond -- looking like they can't seem to get enough oxygen.

Keep us posted,
Ken G.

And, thank you Jeff, for re-posting the photos. (At a minimum, that post should qualify as #5!)
Posted By: Merdav Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/29/08 10:36 AM
I don't plan on changing any of the fish, I would hope one day to get the water clear enough that I could add some Koi as I had done in the past except the Heron had a party and wiped them out.
The real problem is when the kids do feed the fish the water is so greenish cloudy that all you can see is thier tails when they come to the surface, it would be nice to actually see some fish for a change.
The water had basically been the same the whole summer and I was hoping for some advice on how to get rid of the heavy green color, to me it looks closer to a swamp.
I checked the water sample in the jar this morning and it is the same thick green color is was from yesterday.
Thank you for all the compliments on the pond, and to my knowledge nothing has been fertilized in over a month now.
From what I am reading here it seems if the water was brown and muddy it could be cleaned but if it's green nothing can be done?
Posted By: Rainman Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/29/08 12:32 PM
The easiest way for you to clear this size pond would be to use a 30-40 watt UV sterilizer. Most of your green looks to be free-floating algae. The Uv light would clear it in a big hurry with the proper water pump. I found a light that is cheaper to replace than to maintain. There are also many pond filters out there that will help to maintain water quality. Give me a PM if you would like more info on that.

The fertilizing looks to be from (rather heavy) overfeeding. Things can be done to clear the green, like aquashade reducing the feeding. That would destroy the base of the food chain in most ponds here, and why most people don't want it cleared. Since you feed, this is not a concern. It all comes down to your personal goals and how much time you are willing to spend on managing the pond.
Posted By: Merdav Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/29/08 01:19 PM
When I mentioned the kids "feeding" the fish that was an overstatement, what I meant was ever week or so they may throw a few pieces of bread in, we dont regularly feed.
I've been looking around and found this product: https://www.lakelawnandpond.com/captain.aspx?ItemGroupID=26
Which sounds interesting, also the barley I was thinking may help.
As far as a UV I beleive my pond is 300-400,000 gallon I dont know how realistic UV would be for my size.
Also if you look at my test water jar the green is throughout the water not just top floating.
Posted By: bobad Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/29/08 06:05 PM
Hi Merdav,

Since the turbidity in your pond is caused by a heavy plankton bloom, I don't think barley or any chemicals will help clear the water. If you can prevent fertilizer and organic material (leaves, lawn clippings, runoff from livestock)from getting into the pond, it will eventually become less fertile, and begin to clear up on its own.

If a self-sustaining fish population is a goal, around 30" give or take is a good compromise between fish visibility and food chain.
Posted By: Merdav Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/29/08 06:28 PM
As you can see from some of the photos the pond is pretty well landscaped so leaves, pine needles and an ocassional branch always wind up in the pond, especially in the fall.
Is chelated copper or https://www.lakelawnandpond.com/captain.aspx?ItemGroupID=26
a viable option?
Posted By: Theo Gallus Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/29/08 06:40 PM
Most algae control produycts are aimed at filamentous algae, not plantonic algae. Someone may know what the effectivity on phytoplankton would be.

Is the appearance of the bloom objectionable or are you worried about a possible fish kill from an algae crash? A nice (by many of our ways of thinking) bloom like that should promote a high density of biomass in the pond that could be turned into some interesting fish if managed properly, but if the appearance is more important you may want to consider using Aquashade or one of the other pond dyes to block most of the sunlight entering the water, thereby reducing plant growth (in this case the phytoplankton) - IF you would prefer a blue (IIRC black is also an option) pond to a green one.
Posted By: Rainman Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/29/08 07:24 PM
Merdav, personally I would stay away from those chemicals. they continue to build. A small bottom aerator would be perfectfor your detritus control, and be very attractive in your pond. The UV sterilizer will eliminate all the algae and other parasites and bacteria that are floating in the water without harming the beneficial bacterias on debris and anchored surfaces. The UV light with a small water pump will be far more effective, safe, and most inexpensive route to get to your goals. You could install a very effective system for under $100. Your water would become crystal clear for fish viewing, yet have the benefits of an outdoor bacteria colony to control detritus and ammonia. From what I read in your posts of goals is that you want a very large and extra beautiful aquarium.
Posted By: Merdav Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/29/08 08:12 PM
You really think a 30 or 40 watt UV would clear my pond???? I looked online and saw some for $2-$3000!
You hit the nail on the head, I would love to have the worlds largest aquarium, but from a 40 watt bulb?!
I have two waterfalls in the pond for aestetics can I put the UV onto to one of them?
I actually prefer the pond to look natural, if I had a aerator I would probably only run it at night, I would not want some bubbling mass in the middle of the pond. But I'm open to what ever would work, I hate seeing the pond looking like it does.
Where do I start?
Posted By: Theo Gallus Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/29/08 09:20 PM
Anybody besides Rainman know anything about clearing an algal bloom with UV?
Posted By: Bill Cody Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/30/08 02:48 AM
I don't think a UV sterilizer is going to be effective for large volumes of water (in excess of 10K-20K gal). If it is I would like to see proof or data that back up the claims. UV sterilizers can be problematic in that the bulb in unfiltered water can fairly quickly form surface films on it which reduces the effectivenes of the UV. Regular Cleaning the bulb in your situation would in my opinion be troublesome. Chelated copper products are effective on many species of phytoplankton, although the entire pond has to recieve a uniform dosage of the herbicide. This could work in your situation but it would be no doubt require annual or semi-annual treatments since the algae will keep reoccurring. Long term benefit or cure for your problem would be a pond daining and then sludge removal. Bottom sludge and deposits have over many years have created a large nutrient sink which is likely the cause of dense planktonic algae blooms. Since the pond sits at the bottom of a hill it is prone to accumulation of excessive dead and fresh organic materials plus probably some fertilizer runoff. Remove or eliminate the cause (excessive nutrients) and then you will naturally minimize the problem.
Posted By: Shawn Banks Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/30/08 04:03 AM
Merdav,

You can try a lot of fixes that we routinely post/read about on this forum, but I think Bill hit the nail on the head. Your pond is an immense nutrient sink particularly when you consider that your pond may be 100 years old!! That's a long time for grass clippings, leaves, fertilizers, fish/turtle waste, etc. to accumulate. It probably has been dredged some time in the past but not necessarily. If you begin trying algaecide treatments and find that you are continually having to perform them, then the real fix will be to drain and remove sludge. Given the relatively small nature of the pond, you might even consider draining and installing a high quality liner. I only suggest this because you can cover-up decades worth of organic build-up and because you desire more of a water-garden/aquarium type of setting. Just food for thought. By the way, you have a pretty cool setting. Good luck.
Posted By: Merdav Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/30/08 10:38 AM
We have no sewers just drywells, which only have a 5000gal capacity so draining 300,000 isnt realistic.
I sincerly doubt it has ever been dredged before either.
I have read about underwater air diffusers which would seem fairly simply to install but I'm not sure if it would help my situation.
Also I spoke to a local pond specialist yesterday who suggested a wetland bog filtration system for the bargain price of 20K which he swears will work but just isnt in the budget.
Posted By: JHFV Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/30/08 01:40 PM
Put some coontail in it and that green water will go away! Always does in my pond. Dang it. All of the people here would love to have water that look like that. Mine starts out that color every spring until the coontail sucks her in and leaves me with a clear aquarium! My pond is 2 1/2 acres. J/K about the coontail. Dont put it in there, it will eat the bloom but you can never get rid of the coontail. Sorry for the sarcastic post i couldnt help myself.
Posted By: Shawn Banks Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/31/08 01:50 AM
Merdav,

I have no experience with what I'm about to tell you, but here it goes: they have flaoting islands on the market now. You might look into these. I saw a pretty interesting presentation at last year's Pond Boss conf from the guy who developed them. Quite simply, you install the island (different sizes available) and plant whatever you want on it. The plants grow and draw the nutrients from the pond. It's essentially nutrient harvesting. You can then remove the plants from the island. Maybe you grow flowers and pick them. Maybe you grow vegetables and eat them. Maybe you grow other plants and smoke them or sell them for the purchase of the bog system! Actually, they were able to grow terrestrial grasses, corn, tomatoes, wetland plants, and even cacti.

Really, though, you should consider doing some research on the floating islands. They seem pretty cool. I will have real-world experience with them this time next year. We're going to use them on two, separate neighborhood association ponds beginning next spring. Get this, both clients came to me about using them so there must be some good stuff about them on the internet.

Let me know if you find anything interesting. Since the presentation last year, I haven't had time to further research them (price, brands, etc). This is one of my winter to-do tasks since we will be using two of them. The underlying theories behind they do and how they work make a lot of sense. Like most things, fine-tuning the technique to each system takes patience (types of plants to plant, how big of an island, the degree of nutrient saturation in the pond, etc).
Posted By: Rad Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/31/08 02:10 AM
Merdav,
Since we have stepped in to radical idea land, here is a thought.
It looks like you place is fairly large and is very green. Would it be possible to irrigate your property with the pond? Might take all summer to bring it to a level that can be dredged but, if your area is large enough it might work, plus you would be putting all of the nutrient to work around your place. An inch of water on one acre is about 27,000 gallons.

I know it is a difficult decision to make to drain, I have done partials twice and both times hated it.
Posted By: Shawn Banks Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/31/08 03:21 AM
Here's a link that discusses the floating islands.

http://www.floatingislandinternational.com/

I'm always looking for alternatives to chemical treatments. The islands seem like they might have some utility.
Posted By: Greg Grimes Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/31/08 03:06 PM
BTW n8fly here sells them http://www.hbpondmanagement.com
Posted By: Rainman Re: Very green water little visibility - 07/31/08 04:56 PM
I spoke with Merdav and hope he won't mind me sharing some of the converstaion. His pond is located on Long Island, New York.
That being said, there are restrictions on him that would make most of us here go postal. No possibilty of dredging or draining exhists. The water source is not even really known, possibly from a spring or ground water table.

We are getting a chance to be VERY creative here in finding solutions that are not outrageously expensive.

Let's get out the tin foil hats and get creative, as it appears our percentage of smaller (forgive me) Koi-type pond owners is increasing. I think their knowledge can help us a great deal and visa-versa.
Posted By: Merdav Re: Very green water little visibility - 08/06/08 12:18 PM
From everyone who I spoke with and with my new found knowledge of ponds it seems that my problem is stemming from years and years of debris and lack of lower water oxegyn in my pond.
So this is my plan: I'm going to get a dumpster which were going to put next to the pond with the drain door toward the pond.
I'm going to rent a diaphram garbage pump and from a row boat were going to try and suck some of the silt off the bottem and into a 20 yard dumpster, and allow the water to flow back into the pond.
Than I have 2 waterfalls which currently pull water from the top just to pump the waterfalls,andrelocate the pump toward the center of the pond on the bottem, put the pump in bucket with holes on the bottme to keep the mud from getting in them. This will hopefully start pulling the lower colder water through the waterfalls and circulate that water to the top.
Than Im considering a fountain with a summersable pump to elimanate any noise, which will also sit near the bottem to aid in pulling the lower water up and aerating the water as it's dispersed through the fountain.
Alot of work and pretty aggressive, does anyone think this may work? Good, bad, or indifferent opinions are appreciated.
Merdav, We have spoke several times on the phone about this,The last conversation a commercial company was being considered. I think youll find the silt being removed very "liquidfied"and may run out of an end gate type dumpster about as fast as you put it in. I realize your in a sensetive neighborhood so be aware that the smell may be intense.Stir the bottom on a small scale and take a whiff and then consider that many,many times over. I think with the amout of solids and sulfide your going to circulate you will loose all of your fish (perhaps a good thing per our conversation)Are you considering a garbage pump or a trash pump as I dont think a trash pump will pick up the solids before taking in mostly water. A garbage pump (?) may be different.Also check with the dumpster folks as if you did fill a 20 yard dumpster I dont think they could reload it or legally (weight wise) take it off of your property and it may have lots of "stuff" running out of the end doors. I may be missing something here so keep the info coming.
Posted By: Scott Trava Re: Very green water little visibility - 08/06/08 01:09 PM
I would rethink your method of removing debris it will not work even if you crack the door a couple of inches. When you try to pump off the bottom the hose will clog and become very heavy and hard to manage. You will have to keep a proper mixture of water and solids for the pump to work the hose will gain a weight of 12 pounds per foot and sink.

Wait till you have the time and $ to dredge the pond 20 yds will not reduce the nutrient load.On average a 1 acre pond that is 30 years old will need 250 yds removed. This will vary with watershed and bio mass load from surronding area.

Good Luck
Posted By: Scott Trava Re: Very green water little visibility - 08/06/08 07:14 PM
Hello Mike
This is in response to our telephone call today as far as an aeration system getting rid of your nutrients and cleaning the bottom not likely in your situation , to make that claim you would have to see core samples of the bottom and distinguish how much is solids and what the bio mass load is aeration does not break down dirt. you need proper bottom placement and DEPTH. We have had systems installed in Graydon Pool Ridgewood N.J. 1962 Maple Lake Wyckoof N.J. 1967 These were swimming lakes with heavy run off and a usage rate of 1200 people per day 75% kids and the only one still in use is Graydon wich gets regular well water fed in and the bottom cleaned. Maple lake became to much to handle and now has housing.

You have what I call the urban soup bowl all the nutrients from your neighbors lawns goes straight to you and how about that new dyed mulch. Your Battle is won buy removing sediment and then an aeration system.

I will send you the E mail for Jeff Marcus he contacted us a year ago he is located in East Setauket N.Y. He was reffered to us by another customer he called and explained the size and and where he wanted to put the dirt. I told him We would need a permit and ballparked the job around $16,00 with everything to grass.
There was a long silence and a reply about leaving $100,000 on the table. I then asked where he was when I found out that he was in East setauket the greed light went on. The man was so smoked screen by government guide lines some big time dirt mover from another state that was going to pump treat water etc etc.

After making some suggestions last year he is now the proud owner of an ole fashion dredge permit and will probably cut out the greed, and get a good job at a fair price.

The solution to your pond is to get rid of the water and keep it dry you will have to use your immagination but i am sure you have a spot.
Use a plastic mixing tub [purchase at mason supply] rest that on top of mud set a 3/4 hp pump inside and 1 1/4 line and discharge water move tub as water drops to just above mud use a pump with auto float. After a couple of weeks mud will start to crack at this time make yourself a path from the driveway to the pond with 2 layers of nylon filter fabric 12 foot wide and 8 inches of stone on top this will keep trucks from sinking and making a mess on the main road[ after job the stone can be pushed into pond]

Hire a hoe for the day and cut channels into the mud to drain off to where your pump is . You might get lucky and dump a load of rip rap at the shore and clean the pond out from there.

The key is to get as much water out of the dirt as possible you might have to drain for another month to dry out I doubt there is a spring it is just an old silted up pond. Remeber you also run the chance of opening up a drain course so dont get greedy

I think the only permit you will need since the pond is not impounded and no trout streams by or runoff to the bay is a dirt removal permit from the town. I would call local top soil makers or garden outlets to haul dirt away for free when dried for a year and miked with mulch and lime they will make a nice profit at $90.00 a yard also check with dumpster company for free removal. If the building department wants sanitary transport just line dumps with poly.

Good Luck
I think you said you have water falls to keep some alge in check a couple of #8 bare copper wire in falls will give you some help or a floating corker pvc and copper wires in pond
Posted By: Merdav Re: Very green water little visibility - 08/06/08 08:37 PM
Thanks for that Scott, hopefully when you get out to LI next week you will see my situation is not going to allow any draining to that degree.
Water disposal around here is a big deal, we dont have sewers and the ground is such a hard clay the drainage is very minimal. The law here reads that each resident is responsable for thier water drainage and that it can not be pumped into any street basin. The former owners here were fined twice for just trying to lower the pond level after a heavy rain week.
Whatever needs to be done here will be an idea outside the box, maybe not a perfect solution but something better than I have now. Instead of my dumpster idea, how about a cesspool truck which is enclosed so no smell and can handle silt with its pump, the trucks can hold 5000 gallons. I know it would also suckup alot of water but maybe 1 or 2 loads dragging the vacuum hose across the bottom a few times could get a decent amount of the silt out?
Posted By: Merdav Re: Very green water little visibility - 08/06/08 08:40 PM
Good Luck
I think you said you have water falls to keep some alge in check a couple of #8 bare copper wire in falls will give you some help or a floating corker pvc and copper wires in pond
Scott Trava
Catskill Pond
http://catskillpond.com
scott@catskillpond.com

Copper wire? really? Never heard of a floating corker pvc, that something I would make?

Did you ever hear of this pond magician stuff?
http://www.effens.com/pond-magician.php?gclid=CJqpgOWJ-pQCFQQrFQodth93qw
sound desperate dont i \:\)
Posted By: Merdav Re: Very green water little visibility - 08/06/08 09:26 PM
I know you guys like photos, here's just two small shovels of whats on the bottom.




Posted By: Russ Re: Very green water little visibility - 08/06/08 10:04 PM
Merdav,

At times, there has been some discussion related to muck removal using bacterial agents. Here is a link to one such post. See Bing's post on page 2. Read, digest, draw your own conclusions.

http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=126963&fpart=1


Russ
Posted By: Scott Trava Re: Very green water little visibility - 08/06/08 11:38 PM
I would bake that at 350 for six hours . The Honey Dipper is probably quite pricey and when they start sucking rocks they stop I doubt they would drop a hose. I am sure you can get a permit to drain if your tight with your neighbors have them suggest to the town for a cleanout if there are no fire hydrants in the area push for a draft pond.

Never quit there is always a way Good Luck
How about telling your neighbors you will water their lawn for free dump a ton of lime in and good size pump and 1000 foot of black pipe and you could probably get rid of 10,000 gallons a night
Posted By: Merdav Re: Very green water little visibility - 08/07/08 12:39 PM
Another interesting thing I noticed yesterday when I was shoveling up a few scoops of my pond muck, every time I pushed the shovel into the bottom tons of bubbles keep coming up, I dont know if this means anything but I just thought I would throw that in.
Posted By: Theo Gallus Re: Very green water little visibility - 08/07/08 12:40 PM
"Gases of decomposition" - probably Methane or Hydrogen Sulfide. Pretty typical for muck.
Posted By: Scott Trava Re: Very green water little visibility - 08/08/08 09:12 PM
Ok This might be a shot in the dark we were getiing a on site fuel delivery[ off road diesel $4.89 a gallon] I engaged in a conversation with the owner after letting him know what a crook he was on his fuel prices. He has another buissness that has a trailer mounted dirt reclamation system that burns the dirt that is contaminated from tank removal at gas stations.
He says there is a similar unit that evaporates water and is mobile mounted on a forty foot trailer that he thinks does 10,000 gallons per hour I am sure some one on this forum might codify this piece of information
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