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Looking for some knowledge on this subject of stocking of stunted fish. When a new pond is filled, and then stocked with stunted fish weather it be bluegill or crappie or bass will the following generations that follow also be stunted or inhibited for max growth if food is in abundance.


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I have often thought about this too.

IMHO, I guess it all depends.

say the are fish from a hatchery that did not get feed enough for a period of time while they held them I would think it would have no effect on the actual genetic make up of the off spring. '

If they are from a lake or pond that had multiple generations and years of stunted fish this might have been a trait that passed onto the DNA ....Something like Micro evolution. Although it does take some considerable time and environmental pressure to actually change the DNA blue print. Assuming the stunting is 100% from a food shortage and not just a smaller strain of fish to start with in conjunction with a food shortage.


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Not sure if any epigenetic effects might crop up in cases?

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We had a local fish supplier this past spring, that had been in touch with a neighbor of mine. He was a honest supplier I can say that much, he was cutting my neighbor in on a discount for stunted bluegill/bass combo. I don't know if stunting was from lack of food or from being held over in winter tanks. He ended up not purchasing the fish, but I still has me curious if those fish offspring could growout with the right habitat/food. Would he just have a pond full of stubby fat fish.


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Thanks ewest, that had lots of great conversations. Some things I had not thought of.


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Originally Posted By: Snakebite
Looking for some knowledge on this subject of stocking of stunted fish. When a new pond is filled, and then stocked with stunted fish weather it be bluegill or crappie or bass will the following generations that follow also be stunted or inhibited for max growth if food is in abundance.


I'll say the answer to your question is, No. A "stunted" fish is one that has lost normal, and/or potential growth for it's age, usually from a lack of eating optimally sized forage. It is only partially genetics also. For any hatch of 1000 fish (from runts, stunts, or monster parents), some YOY will be "shooters" and grow REALLY fast and large, some will not grow well at all, but the vast majority will be "average". Sorting out the best of the best of the best of the best, can and usually will, increase that "average" size over time.



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Originally Posted By: Snakebite
Looking for some knowledge on this subject of stocking of stunted fish. When a new pond is filled, and then stocked with stunted fish weather it be bluegill or crappie or bass will the following generations that follow also be stunted or inhibited for max growth if food is in abundance.


For any hatch of 1000 fish (from runts, stunts, or monster parents), some YOY will be "shooters" and grow REALLY fast and large, some will not grow well at all, but the vast majority will be "average". Sorting out the best of the best of the best of the best, can and usually will, increase that "average" size over time.


I think that`s the real answer. Sorting through the next YOY to find those out growing the rest, and give them every chance to successful breed those characteristics/growth down to the next YOY class.


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In spite of what we learned in high-school biology, the environmental conditions experienced by one generation can affect the expression of genes in offspring. Genes can be "turned on" or "off" which can affect the phenotype for several generations. Stunting in fish may, or may not have an affect on future generations (without changing the underlying genetic makeup of the population). Biology is cool!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgenerational_epigenetic_inheritance

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Evolutionary Ecology Research, 1999, 1: 111–128

© 1999 Gary G. Mittelbach

Variation in feeding morphology between pumpkinseed

populations: Phenotypic plasticity or evolution?

Gary G. Mittelbach,1* Craig W. Osenberg2 and Peter C. Wainwright3‡

These results show that the natural variation in

pharyngeal morphology between these populations of pumpkinseeds is primarily the result of a

plastic response to the environment, rather than a response to selection driven by the environmental

differences.

Thus, although our results provide no evidence of a genetic basis for variation in functional

morphology, the observed phenotypic plasticity represents an important mechanism

that can mould a fish’s morphology to the resource base of a lake. Ultimately, this would be

most adaptive if reduced crushing morphology resulted in the more efficient use of softbodied

prey. To date, we have no evidence for such a trade-off in pumpkinseed, although

work on its sister species, the redear sunfish, has shown that such a trade-off exists (Huckins,

1997; see also Ehlinger, 1990; Schluter, 1995; Robinson et al., 1996, for other examples

of trade-offs).

Robinson et al. (1993) collected pumpkinseeds from the shallow littoral zone

and from rocky outcrops in the open water of Paradox Lake, NY, and found that individuals

from these two areas differed in diet. Pumpkinseeds from rocky outcrops feed on

zooplankton and snails, while those in the littoral zone feed on snails and other bentic

invertebrates. Individuals from the two areas also differed in body shape, gill-raker width

and pectoral fin length.
In a common-garden type experiment, Robinson and Wilson (1996)

found that phenotypic plasticity and genetic differentiation accounted for 53 and 14%,

respectively, of the variation in body shape. Therefore, like our study, phenotypic plasticity

was the major factor accounting for morphological variation among pumpkinseeds,

although genetic differentiation also appeared to contribute significantly to the Paradox

Lake polymorphism.

ALSO

Ehlinger, T.J. 1990. Phenotype-limited feeding efficiency and habitat choice in bluegill: Individual

differences and trophic polymorphism. Ecology, 71: 886–896.



Ehlinger, T.J. and Wilson, D.S. 1988. Complex foraging polymorphism in bluegill sunfish. Proc. Natl.

Acad. Sci., 85: 1878–1882.



Lauder, G.V. 1983a. Functional and morphological bases of trophic specialization in sunfishes

(Teleostei, Centrarchidae). J. Morph., 178: 1–21.



Mittelbach, G.G., Osenberg, C.W. and Wainwright, P.C. 1992. Variation in resource abundance

affects diet and feeding morphology in the pumpkinseed sunfish (Lepomis gibbosus). Oecologia,

90: 8–13.



Wainwright, P.C., Lauder, G.V., Osenberg, C.W. and Mittelbach, G.G. 1991b. The functional basis

of intraspecific trophic diversification in sunfishes. In The Unity of Evolutionary Biology (E.C.

Dudley, ed.), pp. 515–528. Portland, OR: Dioscorides Press.



Wainwright, P.C., Lauder, G.V., Osenberg, C.W. and Mittelbach, G.G. 1991b. The functional basis

of intraspecific trophic diversification in sunfishes. In The Unity of Evolutionary Biology (E.C.

Dudley, ed.), pp. 515–528. Portland, OR: Dioscorides Press.

















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