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#485816 02/03/18 08:24 PM
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hello my name is matija im from montenegro an d i had an idea to make pond 150 square meters with depth from 0,5 to 2 meters and stock it with carp,bleak,Common rudd and european perch .and i was wondering will this species get along and breed in this enviorment.

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i can also stock mosquito fish

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and pumkinseed

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how to make pumkinseed and perch grow bigger and faster

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I personally have no experience with any of those fish or your area. It is my experience that fish that exist locally in streams or lakes will adapt to impoundments like ponds.

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Welcome to pond boss
I also am not familiar with your area or climate but with all fish they have to eat. So find a high quality fish food and feed them and I'm pretty sure they will grow. Keep us posted on how they do

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matija, welcome to the Pond Boss forum! I just spent some time on Wikipedia reading about your country, Montenegro; your language(s), Montenegrin and others; your fish species of interest, Common Rudd, bleak, and European perch. Those are not found "just anywhere" here in the USA. We do have plenty of carp and black bullheads.

I'm no expert, by any means, but it seems that you would have some good luck combining the perch as predators, with the bleak and the rudd as forage fish. The rudd get too big at 1.2 kilos for the perch to eat, but the perch certainly could eat the young rudd. The perch could overpopulate and stunt; your small pond could be easily fished hard to remove enough perch to prevent this stunting.

Can you cover the bottom of your pond with gravel as the Germans do when raising carp? Unless you can do this, I think carp and black bullheads would stir up the bottom mud so much that other fish could not see well enough to find enough food and then would grow slowly. With a gravel-bottomed pond and clear water, you could feed high-quality fish food. The carp, bullheads, and perch, and the "minnows", that is those forage fish-the rudds and the bleaks-also would benefit from the food, either by eating it directly, or by eating the plankton population that develops from the nutrients added to the water by the fish food.

In another post, you asked about dealing with the stunting problem of black bullheads. If your pond water is clear and your perch are numerous, the bullheads will get gobbled up when they are tiny, young fry. You also can net them and trap them to reduce their numbers.

Thanks for asking your questions here on Pond Boss. There may not be direct experience relative to all your issues, but this forum has enough accumulated knowledge and wisdom to help you on your journey.

Good luck. Hopefully, one of our resident experts will chime in with some help for you. Can you post any pictures of your land, and tell us more about where on your land you would build this pond?

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thank you very much.i cant post the pictures but
my land is like this 20000 square meters with dimensions of 27 meters with 745 meters and one side of 27 meters is on side of a river.

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and something else my biggest issue is would that species breed .thats the answer that i cant get and should would wild brown trout breed in pond

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and temperatur of water in river is 15 to 18 temperature c

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And what do you think about burbot and greyling fish and how to breed them

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matija, it's highly unlikely or even completely unlikely that brown trout BRNT, will breed in a pond. They seem to need flowing waters.

My experiences with grayling have been few, but very enjoyable. I caught several European grayling in Germany back in the 1970s while stationed there. I've caught arctic grayling in large lakes in Alaska, and in two small lakes, better described as "ponds", in Wyoming.

Both of these Wyoming ponds had natural reproduction occuring in the very small feeder streams immediately upstream from the ponds. One pond was gin clear, rather weedy, also full of tiger salamander larvae (waterdogs), and was uniformly 10 feet deep. The other pond was very murky, possibly only 1.5 acres in size, and weed-free. Neither pond appeared to have any other fish species.

Check out Toppins Lakes near Jackson, Wyoming, and Meadow Lake near Pinedale, Wyoming.

In summer both ponds would stratify. The grayling would come up through the upper 2 or 3 feet of warm water to take a fly off the surface, then plunge back to the deeper water for a wonderful, strong fight. They were very delicious to eat.

Burbot are a real pest and a problem for fisheries management in Flaming Gorge Reservoir in Wyoming. They gobble up quantities of more desirable gamefish, feeding at night, deep in the water column. From what I hear from buddies who have eaten them, they are fantastically delicious.

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I thinked about making trout"stream"for trout and grayling to breed and i dont know if burbot would breed


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