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#494744 08/10/18 08:16 PM
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What am I looking at? In the 2 pictures.

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I'm no expert but take a look at this for the first picture.

warmouth

Adult warnouth

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Agree with snrub.... warmouth
Beautiful fish and feisty

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That's exactly what my first thought was when I saw those red eyes. Mine tend to be quite a bit darker colored, but everything else is the same.


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Is the warmouth the same as what we in Ontario would call a rockbass?


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WM and RB are different species.

Rock Bass, Ambloplites rupestris

https://www.efish.fishwild.vt.edu/families/rockbass.html


Warmouth, Lepomis gulosus

https://www.efish.fishwild.vt.edu/families/warmouth.html

That looks like a cross to me as it does not match the traits of either a RB or WM. Look at fins and tail.

http://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/home/Default.aspx?tabid=605&FishID=21




Compare Similar Species


Lateral Scales

Bass, Rock 39-43
Bluegill 39-45
Pumpkinseed 38-43
Sunfish, Green 44-51
Sunfish, Longear 34-38
Sunfish, Orangespotted 36-41
Warmouth 36-40

Opercular Flap Color

Bass, Rock Solid dark
Bluegill Solid dark
Pumpkinseed Dark with light spot at tip
Sunfish, Green Dark with light margin
Sunfish, Longear Dark with light margin
Sunfish, Orangespotted Dark with light margin
Warmouth Dark with light margin

Gill Rakers

Bass, Rock 7-10, long and thin
Bluegill 13-16, moderately long
Pumpkinseed 9-12, short and thick
Sunfish, Green 11-14, long and thin
Sunfish, Longear 9-11, short and thick
Sunfish, Orangespotted 10-15, long and thin
Warmouth 9-12, moderately long

Pectoral Fin

Bass, Rock Short, rounded
Bluegill Long, pointed
Pumpkinseed Long, pointed
Sunfish, Green Moderately long, rounded
Sunfish, Longear Short, rounded or blunt point
Sunfish, Orangespotted Long, rounded or blunt point
Warmouth Moderately long, rounded

Pigment Pattern on Sides and Soft Dorsal Fin

Bass, Rock Sides brown solid color or with dark mottling or many indistinct spots; fin mottled and/or spotted
Bluegill Sides dark or silver blue or bluish-olive, solid color or with dark vertical bars, sometimes fine irregular dark blue spots; fin solid, often with large diffuse spot at base
Pumpkinseed Sides olive or yellow-olive, with many irregular yellow-orange spots or blotches and sometimes faint vertical bars; fin solid or faint spots/mottling
Sunfish, Green Sides yellow or blue-green, with solid color, dark mottling, faint light spots or faint dark bars; fin dusky, spotted or with dark blotch at base
Sunfish, Longear Sides dark bluish-olive, with solid color or light irregular spots or blotches/mottling; fin solid or faint spots/mottling
Sunfish, Orangespotted Sides blue or gray, with occasional irregular orange spots, faint diffuse vertical bars; fin solid or faint spots/mottling
Warmouth Sides yellow-brown or olive with dark mottling, faint spots or faint bars; fin mottled and/or spotted

Other Characteristics

Bass, Rock 5-7 anal spines; 9-11 anal rays
Bluegill Opercular flap slightly elongated in large adults
Pumpkinseed None
Sunfish, Green Rarely a few teeth on tongue
Sunfish, Longear Opercular flap greatly elongated in adults
Sunfish, Orangespotted Opercular flap often elongated in adults; large sensory pores above lip; 8-9 anal fin rays
Warmouth Well-developed supramaxillary bone; teeth on tongue

Similarity Index

Bass, Rock Moderately similar
Bluegill N/A
Pumpkinseed Small juveniles very similar, adults moderately similar
Sunfish, Green Small juveniles very similar, adults moderately similar
Sunfish, Longear Small juveniles very similar, adults moderately similar
Sunfish, Orangespotted Small juveniles very similar, adults moderately similar
Warmouth Small juveniles very similar, adults moderately similar


This may help - lepomis id chart




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My brother caught this today at False River, LA. First one he's ever caught there. Must be due the the limestone boulders he added to his seawall this past winter. I call this a Goggle Eye or Warmouth, however, it very well could be a hybrid, but I am not familiar enough yet to know. Hoping the superior knowledge here will help confirm its identification. Thanks!

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By no means am I an expert, and the picture is a bit blurry, but that looks like a Warmouth to me. I guess it could be a cross, but with what? Any other pics?


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No, unfortunately, that is the only pic he sent me. I'm pretty sure it's a pure Warmouth, but just wanted to check since I haven't seen one in years. Thanks!

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1st picture, looks exactly like the warmouth I've caught around this area

2nd picture looks like a warmouth/res or something strange going on haha

JKS that looks like a rockbass but its pretty blurry


You can usually tell the difference by the Opercular flap - warmouth will have red or orange on the flap while a rockbass will not have this. It is much harder to tell the difference when they're small

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Looks like maybe Warmouth/GSF hybrid

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Sorry the pic is so bad, but it's all I have. Thanks!

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Originally Posted By: JKS3613
My brother caught this today at False River, LA. First one he's ever caught there. Must be due the the limestone boulders he added to his seawall this past winter. I call this a Goggle Eye or Warmouth, however, it very well could be a hybrid, but I am not familiar enough yet to know. Hoping the superior knowledge here will help confirm its identification. Thanks!


Looks like a green sunfish (GSF)


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