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I believe the neighbors have caught nearly all of my CC and likely many bass. 100 CC were initially stocked. Some probably flooded out but earlier this Spring over a dozen were actively feeding. Slowly fewer and fewer. Now only 1. I lost a lure a couple months ago and Sunday it was on the stump where I feed. Someone has deleted game camera pictures twice that I know of. Its really easy. Had a pic of 2 flashlights one night and a camera was left open with a boot print in front of it. Two people live next door and one of their trucks always has poles with bright orange bobbers. I don't live on the property and have to drive past the house when I leave. I suspect they jump the fence and fish at night. I will try moving the game camera again or get a locking case....I've tried talking to them about unrelated stuff but they claim not to speak English.
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NW TX 2ac main pond fed from 1100ac watershed going through 2 2+ac sediment ponds. 1st filled 10/2018 900BG, 200RES, 200HBG, 100CC and 23# FHM...."Free" BH, GSF GSH, LMB & ??? 75LMB 3/2020 I subscribe!
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Understanding English or not , I would bet they understand "stay the $$!$!# out!"
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That's too bad.
I would reach out, privately, to either the police or the fish/game warden and describe the problem, leaving out the actual location of the land. Once you know what law enforcement is willing to do, should you request aid, then I would be in an evidence gathering mode.
As I'm an absentee land owner too, I've found my most 'fruitful' evidence gathering trips have been at times when I wouldn't normally be at my pond, such as weekdays.
Excerpt from Robert Crais' "The Monkey's Raincoat:" "She took another microscopic bite of her sandwich, then pushed it away. Maybe she absorbed nutrients from her surroundings."
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I agree with Sunil. I would call the TP&W and find out who the local game warden is. Meet with them, tell him what is going on, give them a key to the gate if it's locked and be prepared to prosecute the trespassers if they are caught. No sense in getting the law involved if there are no consequences.
Move the camera, make sure it uses a black flash so it isn't visible to humans at night AND put a locking bear box on it. Maybe put another black flash camera way high in a tree looking at the one that they can access, and have it set so their face is visible on the camera.
I've had a camera stolen that was in a locked box, attached to the tree with a 3/8" Python cable lock. It caught someone going down the driveway that didn't want to be ID'd is my guess. They cut the cable and took the whole mess. Now with the cellular camera options, stealing the card or deleting pictures won't do them much good if the pictures are already sent to your phone or computer.
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I suspect Texas pondmeisters will run into more problems with poachers as the borders remain open. Not a political comment, just a realistic one. Many folks coming in view fish, including large bass, purely as food, plus they know the rules don't apply to them.
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Yes, traffic stops on I20 with lots of people in the vehicle are becoming more frequent. The house's windows are blacked out and I wasnt sure it had power for a while. They do not have trash service and there is a large trash pile further down the county road. Neighbor behind me had someone driving a 4 wheeler on his place. Guess what, this house has one.
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I agree with Sunil as well. Most every TPWD game warden has a district, and it's not a bad thing to know him/her by name. We know ours, and have his phone #.
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I am on my property about 2 to 3 days a week. It had trespass signs, but my cameras picked up two people checking the ponds out and some of my equipment onsite. The next week installed high tensile electric fencing, flood light cameras, and put an attack llama on site. When I tell you the one person that was stupid enough to cross the fence, was harassed by the llama for 50 yards and knocked down at least 5 times. It was worth every penny.
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I have the GWs info and we have been in touch a few times over the last several years. Just sent him a text. I'll let y'all know how this proceeds.
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NW TX 2ac main pond fed from 1100ac watershed going through 2 2+ac sediment ponds. 1st filled 10/2018 900BG, 200RES, 200HBG, 100CC and 23# FHM...."Free" BH, GSF GSH, LMB & ??? 75LMB 3/2020 I subscribe!
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While this totally sucks, I'm really interested in how this plays out. It sounds like you're well ahead of the game at this point.
If these folks have no regard for the law, and law enforcement has their hands tied, I don't know how the land owner gets made whole.
Excerpt from Robert Crais' "The Monkey's Raincoat:" "She took another microscopic bite of her sandwich, then pushed it away. Maybe she absorbed nutrients from her surroundings."
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GW just said to hide the cameras better. Camera is now closer to the pond up in a tree. I've only kept 2 CC so far and have been looking fwd to eating them more often. Last one was 3.5lbs.
How are you going to know unless you try!
NW TX 2ac main pond fed from 1100ac watershed going through 2 2+ac sediment ponds. 1st filled 10/2018 900BG, 200RES, 200HBG, 100CC and 23# FHM...."Free" BH, GSF GSH, LMB & ??? 75LMB 3/2020 I subscribe!
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I remember flying over that area back in the day. Sad to hear about the changes.
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I'd leave the cameras where they are and set up another very well hidden camera that watches the other one. They won't be thinking to look for another camera.
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ShortCut, Don't you have a mountain lion roaming those parts? When you going to set a 14" bear trap for it?
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A few years ago I saw two guys walking across my property to fish an adjacent pond. I confronted them and all I could get is 'Habla' as a response. I had a deputy visit them and they seem to have 'hablaed' him because I haven't seen them since.
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(Oooops saw you have already done this...yes please keep us in the loop) Like esshup says I would reach out to this guy just to ask for suggestions and so it at least starts the process of his involvement. He will tell you how best to start gathering your evidence and about placing signage. Then he might stop by if he is in the area in next few weeks. How many "No Trespass" signs do you currently have? If you havent already, take pics of fishing poles with bobbers in truck that also shows license plate parked bext door. If they own the house look up their name on the county CAD and see if Game Warden can run their names or address to see if they have fishing licenses.....if they rent get owners name and send a letter or if you have an attorney friend...an attorney letterhead always has impact...that can send a warning letter to landlord concerning what the tenants may be doing and it would be helpful if the landlord would warn his tenants. Texas Park & Wildlife - Trespassing
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Dudley, just let me know if you need my translation services.
Excerpt from Robert Crais' "The Monkey's Raincoat:" "She took another microscopic bite of her sandwich, then pushed it away. Maybe she absorbed nutrients from her surroundings."
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Keep in mind if you intend to confront a criminal that there are no rules - be ready and use every advantage and precaution available.
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Dudley, just let me know if you need my translation services. Sunil speaks fluent Corona.
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Does your neighbor live on his property? Do you have a good relationship with your neighbor?
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If all else fails a good ass whopping goes a long way. Some poeple can only learn respect the hard way.
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They live right next door in a old farmhouse on approximately 500ac. The landowners do not live there. These guys take care of the livestock and do some land maintenance.
How are you going to know unless you try!
NW TX 2ac main pond fed from 1100ac watershed going through 2 2+ac sediment ponds. 1st filled 10/2018 900BG, 200RES, 200HBG, 100CC and 23# FHM...."Free" BH, GSF GSH, LMB & ??? 75LMB 3/2020 I subscribe!
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I like the idea of leaving the old camera there and hiding another one. Do you have cell service there? If so, I also like the idea of investing in one with cellular. That way they are busted whether they find the camera or not.
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Talked to sherrif at the gas pumps. He suggested an obvious camera and one with cell coverage as well. Said his place got fished out as well and that the neighbors are very likely the poachers. Said they just dont respect others property. He also asked for vehicle descriptions and said he was looking for those guys the other day.
How are you going to know unless you try!
NW TX 2ac main pond fed from 1100ac watershed going through 2 2+ac sediment ponds. 1st filled 10/2018 900BG, 200RES, 200HBG, 100CC and 23# FHM...."Free" BH, GSF GSH, LMB & ??? 75LMB 3/2020 I subscribe!
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Just Google translate some common Spanish phrases pertinent to your situation, and stick them on a small piece of paper in your wallet.
This is private property = Esta es propiedad privada. You need to leave now = Tienes que irte ahora.. I will give you a free subscription to Pond Boss if you never return = Te daré una suscripción gratuita a Pond Boss si nunca regresas.
You know, normal things like that.
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