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When Leonardo proposed that the earth was not the center of the universe, he was fined $75,000.00 per day by a powerful political body and exiled to the isle of Malta where he died when the island was bombed in 1945. Proof positive that science should be independent of politics, or something like that.
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Separation of church and state was another way our founding fathers had fore-site. Religion drove the rejection of the sun as the center of the solar system.
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Separation of church and state was another way our founding fathers had fore-site. Religion drove the rejection of the sun as the center of the solar system. Ohhhhhh...any way we can work green energy into this thread also? I see my response to the question posed a few posts above has not been addressed. Glad I got that in before the thread implodes.
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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I've certainly learned a lot from this thread, and, as a result, I'm moving over to the left to be with my like-minded colleagues and where I'll be better understood and accepted. I'll fit right in.
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Look for your safe space ?
sprk you are wrong. What I posted were facts which were requested. I have answered a lot of questions over the years but never been accused of manipulation.
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Persuasive writing can be called manipulation, but I consider that harsh. We all try to influence others by marshaling convincing arguments. Our choice of language is part of those arguments. Now I most certainly try to manipulate my pond to achieve my goals. I hope the fish are not distraught over this:) BTW - the use of the term "manipulation" can also be seen a manipulative itself since it has negative connotations.
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Ewest its all good on my end, and I do appreciate your response. I will most likely never see the relevance of describing Charlie's house/lifestyle in regards to his battle with the epa, no more than I would discussing his hair or eye color. To me, it speaks of at attempt to elicit an emotional response, ie little, modest Charlie, vs. giant epa. I have no doubt that it was unintentional on your part, I simply see it as an ingrained, unconscious act that we all do whether we realize it or not.
You answered the question, it was your choice of adjectives describing Charlie that I find fascinating. RAH tells us that scientists are trained to recognize, and discard, (to the best of their ability) emotional response, choosing to act on factual info only. Could some be trained to recognize, and utilize, emotional response instead?
Sunil asked about the media, and I offered up my thoughts. Those being it's all manipulative and agenda driven. That was the basis for how I got here. Your post seemed to fit the bill, so I commented. No disrespect intended, again I believe it has become unconscious to all of us.
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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Entity (can't call them a person right? This leaves out sexual proclivity right?) "X" was doing something (don't want to say what they were doing less we describe X's lifestyle, profession, whatever) and a regulation enforcing group (don't want to say what group less we get folks ginned up at something they already find disdain for) found "X" to be in violation of code "Y". X is now in prison for P years and was forced to pay $Z dollars a day.
Good grief man reporting a story, no matter what the facts are, so long as they are true facts is all I as a consumer of said report care about. I don't need a safe space, I don't need the facts trimmed from any story in fear I could be swayed, I want to be swayed but only with the facts. Most people are just happy to read something in this day and age when we don't get all the opinion BS we seem to lately.
Shall we get to the place nyc is in now? When a bad guy gets called in (yah, I used "guy") they are not allowed to say the bad person's color just in case they prejudice someone listening on the scanner. The color of the person can sure come in hand though when you are LOOKING FOR THEM.
ewest, your report was fine, geesh.
Signed, a rugged individualist.
I just got a new pond, I made it twice because I aint so bright.
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As someone with both an "X" and a "Y" chromosome which makes it easier to "P" on a tree, I am deeply offended:)
P.S. I also try to get a few Zee's in each night!
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I know about it and that's the case I was actually talking about two posts above yours. I'm not sure what relevance the guy being a veteran has but I'm sure it tugs at some folks emotional heart strings. The facts are the guy is a citizen, I checked, and other than that he is from Montana, was convicted of polluting waters of USA and depredation of United States property. It appears he did this on ACTUAL US Forest Property?!?!?!? He then extended the work on to someone else's private property ?!?!?!?!?!
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Now, another side of the story. https://www.oathkeepers.org/the-sentencing-of-joe-robertson/It is important to note that Constitutionalists do NOT recognize the right of the Federal Government to own property outside of DC and military bases. The reason for this is that the US Constitution says it's so.
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From what I have read it looks like that is not the best example of EPA over reach. Looks like maybe the guy had a screw loose.
Now the punishment fitting the crime? That looks questionable.
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This conversation here is why I love PB. Some comedy mixed in with a rational discussion that hasn't ended with anyone getting singled-out in a bad way or line-by-line dissertation breakdowns of a dissenting point of view. It is what keeps me coming back here!
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If you cannot laugh at yourself, you will never enjoy life.
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Hey Rah, my Wife has finally given up on getting me house broken.
It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.
Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.
Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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I'm an uneducated dirt farmer, closer to being born in a barn than you can imagine, barely house broke, and proud of it.
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Not sure why peeing outdoors is such a joy.
I do enjoy it though.
Perhaps my joy is commensurate with amount of beers taken in.....
Excerpt from Robert Crais' "The Monkey's Raincoat:" "She took another microscopic bite of her sandwich, then pushed it away. Maybe she absorbed nutrients from her surroundings."
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Perhaps it's the feel of the fresh air.... gets you wondering how great life would be with a loosely fitted neoprene codpiece!!!
--we'll see if someone is reading this while moving to their new place.
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Not sure why peeing outdoors is such a joy. I do enjoy it though. I've wondered that myself Sunil. Back in college every Saturday night when I got home at 3AM just before going inside I would always pee in my front yard when obviously there was a bathroom just inside the door. It became one of those crazy rituals that makes no sense....lol.
Fishing has never been about the fish....
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Not sure why peeing outdoors is such a joy. Sunil, you're enjoying it for the sake of the EPA. It's your subconscious way of saying "go ahead, take my water". Even those last few shaken drops .
Keith - Still Lovin Livin https://youtu.be/o-R41Rfx0k0(a short video tribute to the PB members we met on our 5 week fishing adventure) Formerly: 2ac LMB,HSB,BG,HBG,RES
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Back in college ('87-'91), there were multiple incidents of students pissing on their keyboards late at night.
Excerpt from Robert Crais' "The Monkey's Raincoat:" "She took another microscopic bite of her sandwich, then pushed it away. Maybe she absorbed nutrients from her surroundings."
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Not sure why peeing outdoors is such a joy. Sunil, you're enjoying it for the sake of the EPA. It's your subconscious way of saying "go ahead, take my water". Even those last few shaken drops . From his cold, dead _ _ _ _ LOL.
I just got a new pond, I made it twice because I aint so bright.
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I personally appreciate indoor plumbing, especially in January.
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