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Did they both come from Todd's place?
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Todd said: "The cnbg is just a generic replica but the colors are coppernose." Betcha the otter was "home grown" - Todd?
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I improved on them and going to reintroduce some back into George's pond this Fall!. I can't wait to get some pics of them. Gonna feed em good this summer.
Well, we done the deal yesterday .... Here’s a couple of photos of their one year old daddies… Picures below ar YOY 6 month old OTS CNBG stockers that came back home to roost… Results of best of the best 3 year Overton CNBG breeding program.
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OK, Al (FireIsHot) and Brian (Highflyer) have joined our OTS CNBG club, and I have been fortunate to be an observer to the stocking of the latest “best of the best” crop of Overton’s latest spawn – a selective five year+ rogram of pure CNBG genetics By virtue of geography and having a couple of very good friends, they are permitting me the courtesy of following the progress of their program. The photo below is the first seine of Overton’s OTS CNBG brood pond, being the top graded fish: These fish may be siblings of my OTS CNBG that I caught this week from our pond that was stocked late 2012, dependent on early/late spawn: Photos below are Brian and Al’s virgin brood/ forage ponds: [IMG] Any or all of recipients of OTS CNBG jump in and enjoy the fun and keep this thread going – we have some outstanding PB members and we need company! George, who once thought BG was just “bait”…
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Here is one of George grandbabies at 1 year. Beautiful fish. More pics later. BTW I need some more of these.
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Here is one of George grandbabies at 1 year. Beautiful fish. More pics later. BTW I need some more of these. Perfect confirmatiion of OTS CNBG!
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Here you go George. This one has to be from those I got from Todd last year, so I'm putting him at 13-15 months. Was a little over 10", and weighed 20oz. I caught several at 6-8", so I'm assuming they were from last year's spawn. They had the same conformation markings. Water's pretty clear right now so as best I can tell, I now have 3 distinct strains of CNBG in my puddle. Along with the OTS, I have a more pure Florida strain with classic markings, and then the occasional SF/CNBG mutt.
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Here you go George. This one has to be from those I got from Todd last year, so I'm putting him at 13-15 months. Was a little over 10", and weighed 20oz. I caught several at 6-8", so I'm assuming they were from last year's spawn. They had the same conformation markings. Water's pretty clear right now so as best I can tell, I now have 3 distinct strains of CNBG in my puddle. Along with the OTS, I have a more pure Florida strain with classic markings, and then the occasional SF/CNBG mutt. Al, perfect confirmatin of OTS CNBG! Copper head. Few vertical stripes. Pearl tail tipping. Red tint tail (I am told.. ) I can spot an OTS CNBG from twenty paces - you got 'em my friend! G/
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Had so much fun catching big OTS CNBG this weekend thought I would revive this old thread. To review the characteristics that confirm the Overton Texas strain, photos below are yesterday's Male and Female OTS CNBG. Male OTS CNBG Female OTS CNBG
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Both of those fish have a very vibrant, young look to them. There appears to be a lot of remaining up-side to their growth potential. Thanks for the great photos.
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Both of those fish have a very vibrant, young look to them. There appears to be a lot of remaining up-side to their growth potential. Thanks for the great photos. I agree, very immature. Best guess - female CNBG is one yeat old and male late spawn 2012. Thanks much! George
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I've heard lots about the OTS CNBG here. What separates them from "ordinary" CNBG? Do they grow faster, get bigger, eat more aggressively? Is their genetic profile superior?
Sorry if this question has been answered before, I'm just curious.
PS Gorgeous pics.
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7ac 2015 CNBG RES FHM 2016 TP FLMB 2017 NLMB GSH L 2018 TP & 70 HSB PK 2019 TP RBT 2020 TFS TP 25 HSB 250 F1,L,RBT -206 2021 TFS TP GSH L,-312 2022 GSH TP CR TFS RBT -234, 2023 BG TP TFS NLMB, -160
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I've heard lots about the OTS CNBG here. What separates them from "ordinary" CNBG? Do they grow faster, get bigger, eat more aggressively? Is their genetic profile superior?
Sorry if this question has been answered before, I'm just curious.
PS Gorgeous pics. The OTS CNBG is a special strain of pure Florida genetics developed by Overton Fisheries in Buffalo Texas. To the best of my knowledge Overton Fisheries and Tyler Fish Farm are the only two hatchery/fish farms producing pure strain CNBG in this part of the country. I have been fortunate to have participated in this program for some 6 years by donating one original pure CNBG strain to Overton’s pure brood stock that were brought directly from Florida. Todd Overton is an outstanding TAMU graduate fisheries biologist and has selected brood stock each year to produce desired characteristics chosen for body shape and specific color/markings. OTS CNBG differ from ”ordinary” CNBG that are imported from Arkansas by fish trucks and often questionable genetics. IMO Overton’s special CNBG strain are the faster growing with superior shape and special markings I believe that growth potential of any fish species is largely controlled by environmental conditions as well as aggressive feeding program. I lost some of my largest specimens in a bad fish kill in 2011 when our 2 acre pond shrunk to 1 acre during our record heat wave and drought conditions. We restocked with some special specimens and now recovering with some really outstanding fish that we are xcited about. Love OTS CNBG! Maybe Todd will jump in and comment on this years crop - they are in such demand that he often sell out early. I have no business connection with Overton - just a satisfied customer. George Glazener
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Thanks, George. I'm in the planning stages for my hoped for (but long delayed) pond and am trying to soak up as much info as possible. This helps, I want a pond full of big, eager CNBG to get my young grandkids hooked on fishing!
7ac 2015 CNBG RES FHM 2016 TP FLMB 2017 NLMB GSH L 2018 TP & 70 HSB PK 2019 TP RBT 2020 TFS TP 25 HSB 250 F1,L,RBT -206 2021 TFS TP GSH L,-312 2022 GSH TP CR TFS RBT -234, 2023 BG TP TFS NLMB, -160
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Thanks for posting those pics of such beautiful coppernose specimens George! We haven't selected our broodstock 2014 OTS production yet but we will try to get some pics of those specimens for this thread. Nice work.
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Here's an OTS Momma caught this afternoon. He has the white tipping and vertical markings I see in Todd's fish. It gets much easier to identify them after side by side comparisons with other CNBG. Mine tend to be a little darker than George's because of my clear water.
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Beautiful fish Al and George!
I realize that I may be exposed to bluegills a bit more than what is generally regarded as the norm, but has anyone else seen the photos of the coppernose coming out of some California lakes?
Quite distinct looking, and very large.
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If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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Nice work Al and George - beautiful OTS CNBG !
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Bumping OTS CNBG thread to show relationship of length vs. width: Eric's one year old pure OTS CNBG FireIsHot OTS CNBG Here's one of mine Overton's CNBG
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George Beautiful fish!! That's what I have to look forward to! That's what we put in our pond also. Wow can't wait!
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Firelshot, in your post and picture above:
"Here's an OTS Momma caught this afternoon.
He has the white tipping and vertical markings I see in Todd's fish. It gets much easier to identify them after side by side comparisons with other CNBG. Mine tend to be a little darker than George's because of my clear water. "
Is that a female?
I'm a NOOB at sexing BG and need help along the way.
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Oops, I think I figured out what I did wrong. Momma refers to the person who caught the fish, not the expression that it was an 'OTS Momma' I see the He came later in the post indicating you know it is a male fish. Sorry about the mixup Those of us from the north of the US aren't allowed to call anyone a 'momma' unless it truly is our mother (too many racial overtones in our neck of the woods even if it is meant as a loving term) I think it is more common to use the term in the south? Thus I misread the post. I like the 'momma' reference for one's wife better than what I often hear around here (the old lady, or even worse, THE WIFE, as if she is property.., or THE MISSUS, as if her only defining characteristic is that she is female...)
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CC, that's a male.
He's got the black scale tipping, the heavy brow(helmet), elongated ear tab, heavy chin, and just a bigger CNBG than most females.
I thought, but confirmed with Todd this week, that CNBG females will also have a yellow tint to the pectoral fins and chest area when they're ready to get ready. Not fin tipping like a HBG, just the actual coloring itself.
Also put me in the noob category. I'm trying to learn to sex CNBG at a smaller size, but it just takes time. Most of the pics posted here are of larger BG, so a side by side comparison of smaller fish is working for me. The problem is my larger CNBG are more aggressive, so it's hard to catch the smaller ones.
Momma EDIT: I forget sometimes about regional language differences. Yes CC, the Momma reference was to my current wife.
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The problem is my larger CNBG are more aggressive, so it's hard to catch the smaller ones.
Awww!!!
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If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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