Seems a lot of those big ones don't have the traditional mirror look. However, I know there are all kinds of variations throughout the species regardless of fish size. Here are a few more examples of HUGE mirrors that look like leathers but are in fact mirrors. Yeah that trait is recessive so mirror carp are in fact more rare. At least where stocking isn't an issue. Ever since my buddy landed that fish these carp have me excited. Imagine that.