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Posted By: Kelly Duffie CLIPPER Herbicide - 01/01/12 07:06 PM
Originally Posted By: Ted Lea FOREVERGREEN
Hope Im not steering this too much off topic,mods feel free to relocate it. Perhaps Kelly and Nate can chime in concerning Clipper.Have not used it to date and have read and reread the label. Appreciate anyones take on if this is a product for potamogeton control compared to the fluridone type products. Also a concern is southern naiad. I see on the label the formula for given ppb's which tells me we are treating total water in some cases but at the same time it mentions targeting specific submersed weeds.Lastly any experience with treatment on FA's as is labeled for that also. I find this an interesting product but remain cautious of all newly labeled products. Kelly can perhaps appreciate that if you are familiar with a Dupont product for the turf market called Imprelis and the estimated 1 Billion worth of damage it has done to labeled trees from Colorado to Maine. (Another story for another day)

I relocated this question from an unrelated thread, since it has a better "fit" in this section.
Ted: CLIPPER's strengths lie in controlling Hydrilla, milfoil, watermeal, duckweed and a few other species - including potamogeton and southern naiad (aka "Najas", "bushy pondweed"). It is also very active on several species of filamentous algae.
I'm still becoming familiar with this new product, and somewhat hesitant to elaborate at this point. However, I feel confident that CLIPPER will not encounter any issues remotely comparable to IMPRELIS (as usual, there's more to that story than is conveyed by the press).
Posted By: Ted Lea FOREVERGREEN Re: CLIPPER Herbicide - 01/01/12 07:48 PM
Kelly, thanks for your response.I look forward to your feedback as the seasons progress with this product.I would not be so "gun shy" if I did not have 28 dead or dying Norway Spruce on our property that I sprayed with Imprelis. (we operate a lawn care business also)When the Dupont Team was here documenting the damage they stated they had 50 teams looking at trees from Colorado to Maine.Perhaps there is better research for aquatic chemistry registration than the Ag and specialty side. Thanks again, your comments always valued.
Posted By: Shawn Banks Re: CLIPPER Herbicide - 01/01/12 08:47 PM
Ted,

I tried Clipper at the max rates suggested to control Pithophora and it did not work for me. However, and in the same ponds with the same applications, the Clipper smoked the naiad and the small pondweed (P. pusilis).

I put the Clipper into solution and sprayed the perimeters of the ponds where the algae was present. The entire perimeter of each of three ponds were treated. The results of the submerged weed control were not evident until several weeks later, but they did not return for the rest of the season. I was monitoring the ponds on a weekly basis. Unfortuantely, we never got great control of the resistant Pithophora no matter what we threw at it.

pH has a lot to do with success as the water cannot be too basic. Our's was within the range. I have spoken with others, however, that were able to control Pithophora with Clipper. I think they were mixing copper as well but I cannot remember. My applications with Clipper were not tank mixed with anything else. It is dusty so wear a mask.

I don't know quite yet if I will use it again. There is not a lot of industry experience with it as you are learning. To no one's fault, I was hearing different rates, applications techniques, etc, and it's an expensive product to try to educate one's self. Or maybe not- it did smoke the submerged weeds and they did not return as would have been the case with Reward or Aquathol.
Posted By: Ted Lea FOREVERGREEN Re: CLIPPER Herbicide - 01/01/12 09:54 PM
Shawn, thanks for that response as thats what Im looking for. Im sure with most chemistry it will have its place and will need to be tweeked to fit the situation.
Posted By: n8ly Re: CLIPPER Herbicide - 02/23/12 07:21 PM
I used clipper last season with GREAT success wiping out watermeal quickly! Some tips I have learned is to spray it immediately once mixing in the tank and apply as early in the morning as you can. It is greatly affected by PH and breaks down very fast in water with high PH. Waters with low PH are much better suited for clipper. With high PH water you have to mix and spray immediately first thing in the morning.

Also I mix in a little diquat which seemed to form a dynamite combination. We cleared out tons of watermeal last season that was normally unkillable!
Posted By: ewest Re: CLIPPER Herbicide - 02/23/12 10:59 PM
Nate I would like to know if the WM or DW so treated come back.
Posted By: n8ly Re: CLIPPER Herbicide - 02/24/12 03:52 AM
I guess that would depend on the specific pond. Clipper deactivates rather quickly (especially with high PH) so it does not stay active in the system for more than a couple days at best. Clipper is not a cure all to fix the pond or the initial cause of the watermeal, but rather just is a tool to kill the watermeal that is present at that time.

I have successfully wiped out watermeal that has not returned on many lakes and ponds, but that is by killing it initially and then aerating and applying bacteria to reduce the nutrient load.
Posted By: gaitedbreed Re: CLIPPER Herbicide - 03/07/12 05:13 PM
I have slight duckweed which i have applied nothing too at all since it does not move. If it gets out of control, how does the clipper work compared to Sonar which is supposed to last 2 years?
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